wmauctions Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Hi againI have wanted to add second HD and how have installed another 160 seagate HD which is the same as is in my dell 4500. problem is: the original hard drive has NO ribbon cable..?the new HD has the ribbon cable . The original has a little connection for ther ribbon cable..How do I get the two together to have two HD one master one slave...????? wmauctionsAKADon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarecrow Man Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 A little connection as in a SATA connection?It's difficult to help you without knowing whether your new and old drives are IDE or SATA. You should note that IDE and SATA cannot be placed on the same cable as they are not compatible with each other. That does not mean they cannot both be used at the same time, but you will need to have your IDE and SATA seperate.You motherboard should have two IDE ports (which support 2 drives, master and slave) and up to 4 SATA ports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmauctions Posted April 10, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 i REALY DONT KNOW....lolThe New one is a Ultra ATA100 7200 RPM 8MB Cache which has the ond type ribbon connectionThe original HD I assume is the SATA which has no ribbon connected to it just a small plug in along with a small plug for powerThe slot where the port for the ribbon hD is emptyas you can see I dont know much about the lingoDon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarecrow Man Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Not to worry. I think you have given the information I need.Your new HD (Ultra ATA100 7200 RPM 8MB Cache) explains what it is right in the name. Ultra ATA100 (or 133) means IDE. SATA will explicitly say SATA on it, or have the small connector like your old drive.You will need to plug your new IDE hard disk into one of the IDE slots on your motherboard, and attach a power cable to it. Note that with SATA you use either SATA power, or Molex power. Do not use both.You may also need to go into your BIOS and change you IDE settings if they are disabled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmauctions Posted April 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 OKI THINK i GOT ITTHE NEW hd WILL CONNECT TO THE MOTHERBOARD IN THE OLD FASSION WAY WITH A RIBBON CABLE GETTING THE POWER FROM EXTRA POWER CABLE LEAVING THE ORININAL AS-IS RIGHT..?Sorru about the cap locks........!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmauctions Posted April 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Must go for now will try the hookup and come back tomorrow night problem want a step by step to change the BIOS settingsDon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarecrow Man Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 OKI THINK i GOT ITTHE NEW hd WILL CONNECT TO THE MOTHERBOARD IN THE OLD FASSION WAY WITH A RIBBON CABLE GETTING THE POWER FROM EXTRA POWER CABLE LEAVING THE ORININAL AS-IS RIGHT..?Sorru about the cap locks........!!Yep B) Just make sure you don't change your boot device. Although as I said above, you may need to enable IDE.Try just installing it and see what happens before you do anything. If there are problems, post here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmauctions Posted April 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 OKHave installed new ribbon cable from motherboard to HD and hooked up power,rebooted and nothing has happened..??Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarecrow Man Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Is the drive starting up? (making noise and spinning)If not, your may need to use a different power connection.If it is, you may be using the wrong IDE channel. Make sure you are using channel 0 (or 1) and your drive is either set to cable select (recomended) or Master.If all of this is done and still nothing happens, go into your BIOS (usually by pressing del immediatley after power on) and see if there are any settings about IDE, or drive settings. You may need to set these to AUTO or enabled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmauctions Posted April 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Okchannel is set to cable select ,tried to change BIOS to enable slave drive but wont let me it says n/apower not sure off it seems to be working changed the cable with ribbon with red stripe so both pluged in the same way..?Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarecrow Man Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 OK. In your bios, usually on the main screen, it has: PRIMARY MASTER PRIMARY SLAVE SECONDARY MASTERSECONDARY SLAVEYou should set these to AUTO and see if your drive is detected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmauctions Posted April 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 OKchanged all 4 to auto and got thisSATA Secondary Drive not foundPrimary drive not foundPrimary drive 1 not foundDonpsSTILL DONT KNOW ABOUT THE POWER HOW CAN i CHECK IT..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmauctions Posted April 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Reading book may have ribbon cable backward let me change it..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmauctions Posted April 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 changed ribbonpower seems to be OKdrive is warm to touch...!Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4may Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Reading book may have ribbon cable backward let me change it..!Make sure That the Red line on the Ribbon cable is next to the pin 1 of the drive connection. If you have connected the ribbon cable the wrong way round you may have damaged the drive electronics as ALL one side {i think it is all the even numbers IE: 2,4,6 etc } of the ribbon cable are connected to 0 Volts (or common) which would have shorted out some of the signals from the drive and may have damaged the drivers.Hope you are not that unlucky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmauctions Posted April 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 still nothing I know power is OKI know ribbon is right any more suggestions..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmauctions Posted April 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 What would happen If I unhooked the old drive and tried the new drive.? what would happen..?Donjust trying to make sure the new drive works..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarecrow Man Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 That is a good idea. Windows will not boot, obviously, but you should be able to boot from a Windows 98 boot disk to see if a hard drive is seen.http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmauctions Posted April 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 OKunpluged original HD and power, leaving new HD pluged inrestarted puter with boot disk to A New HD started and runs...!Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmauctions Posted April 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2006 OKNew question about jumper settings..?old SATA drive has no jumpers,new drive paperwork says to remove jumper to become salve (for New Drive)..!But then I think I have to put jumber on old drive to make it the master ..right..??Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmauctions Posted April 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 NEWS FLASH.............!!Found problemOriginal HD was a serial SATA with no jumpers,Masater by defaultNew HD ATA/100by putting second HD in adding a complete seperate setup now the second HD has to be set as Master also..! BINGO system reconized second HD about 20 minutes later additional HD has a letter ready to goDonThanks for all the Help from you guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarecrow Man Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Sorry I was not able to reply earlier. With IDE and SATA, both can be set to master as they do not use the same channel. Two IDE drives, on the other hand, can be on the same channel and therefore require jumpers.Most SATA do not have jumpers.Glad to hear it is all sorted. B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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