Andrzej Ptak Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 Hello Everyone!I would like to start a discussion about the inclusion of DRM technology in Windows Vista (and perhaps DRM in general). As a starting point I recommend reading this (a bit biased, but still informatove enough) article I found about DRM in Vista and our rights: http://polishlinux.org/gnu/drm-vista-and-your-rights/Do you think that the inclusion of so called "Trusted Computing" technology in Vista is a good thing? I'm very worried about the consequences of introducing thes kinds of restrictions and I'm afraid we are going to start experiencing that a few years after Vista takes over the world (as it will most likely be the case in some 1-2 years from now).Or perhaps you think the stuff mentioned in the article are exaggerated and they won't really affect normal computer users?I'm very interested in your opinion,Andrzej Ptak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk27 Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 Hello Everyone!I would like to start a discussion about the inclusion of DRM technology in Windows Vista (and perhaps DRM in general). As a starting point I recommend reading this (a bit biased, but still informatove enough) article I found about DRM in Vista and our rights: http://polishlinux.org/gnu/drm-vista-and-your-rights/Do you think that the inclusion of so called "Trusted Computing" technology in Vista is a good thing? I'm very worried about the consequences of introducing thes kinds of restrictions and I'm afraid we are going to start experiencing that a few years after Vista takes over the world (as it will most likely be the case in some 1-2 years from now).Or perhaps you think the stuff mentioned in the article are exaggerated and they won't really affect normal computer users?I'm very interested in your opinion,Andrzej Ptakvery interesting article, time will show if all those apocalyptic predictions will actually take place. i believe that life balances itself as any thing that depends on humans therefore a workaround is probably being written as we speak.drm will definately raise issues though. best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mms Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 very interesting article, time will show if all those apocalyptic predictions will actually take place. i believe that life balances itself as any thing that depends on humans therefore a workaround is probably being written as we speak.drm will definately raise issues though.To turn a blind eye to it doesn't help. Of course it will affect normal computer users. For easier reading I have converted Peter Gutmann's article to PDF; see Wikimedia Commons:Vista cost_-_1-0_-_2007-01-27.pdf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 You can listen to Peter Gutmann on Vista DRM but I suggest you also listen to Episode 73 [74] and 75.Why would I watch a BD or HD-DVD [disk] on my PC when I can have a much more freindly experience sitting in front on the TV of which I have a remote control and a bigger TV. Current Prices of BD and HD-DVD players for the PC are off course high so they will not be the norm for a few yeas at least.The majority of PC users are all legally above board and won't try to rip a BD/HD-DVD disk or try and hack the system bus to copy protected content....I mean come on! This will not effect those users and I'm sure they will have a great experience in doing. However I've never seen any posting on here to suggest that currently there are problems with playback of BD and HD-DVD, but on the Security Now podcasts there are. I'm sure overtime Microsoft will improve the technology to allow playback.For most of what Peter Gutmann has said it won't affect most PC users, but I can see his concerns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cozofdeath Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Theres a lot of different things to think about with this. Its hard to predict what could happen in the future, but as we have seen with other copy protections they won't stop. Its becoming the big thing for these companies to protect their digital media and what not. I think it could come to a point where just about every device has a general protection scheme built on it but I don't believe it will stop people. There was a thread on here a while back that talked about the DRM in the newer processors and that made me a bit wary. Well I'm glad the news is spreading, hopefully some home users will care. I wonder how all of this will coincide with Linux? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 Microsoft chose to include this DRM in Vista and they don't have to include it.Linux coms. I bet will stay away from it.However all of the copy protection features that can be enforced are not, just yet. When they are enforced that's when it will hurt people. It will hurt them as their devices, Plasma's, LCDs etc might not play back any protected content because they do not support HDCP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cozofdeath Posted January 28, 2007 Report Share Posted January 28, 2007 It seems they are almost forced but maybe I'm wrong. Everyone (manufactures) with media to be run on Windows is going to want support for their protection and MS is definitely going to want their money. But with CPU/chipset manufactures implementing it it almost seems MS must support it in someway or they don't want it to get out the CPU, dvds, etc. support it but their operating system doesn't. Hopefully they will be nice enough to leave us a good registry key/setting we can change to avoid the DRM. :lol: That would be nice.Heres a good link to the Vista teams blog on what they have to say about Vista's DRM technology...http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsv...nd-answers.aspxI happen to agree with many of the beginning comments. There was way to many to read though. The article seems a little biased but that may be just me. The DRM technology will increase CPU cycles and gamers will really have to compensate for this. It is also true that some video and audio will be degraded. Linux in my guess will support it enough to allow playback but I'm sure the cracks will be release before that even happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diablo Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 DRM is just about the future and it will be present on technological enhancement terms to support commercial content scenarios. If vista is not being user friendly in terms of ability to play audio and video in certain cases and if the quality of the music is going to degrade for security measures where in fact people were expecting a total up-gradation in all aspects of the new OS, it is going to disappoint many who had planned to go for vista. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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