Tankus Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 global securityUSA DoD press releasedGun camera satellite imageryAircraft reconnaissance imageryOn the ground From some of the major USA involved conflicts since WW2Including some of last year's declassified from ongoing operation "Iraqi freedom "Just looking at this one photo ," probable area of impact" , just sums up why the Coalition are facing an increasing hatred ......Its "bang" in the middle of a residential area , with the US claiming 93% accuracy on their smarts .......Bearing in mind thousands of bombs have been dropped . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devanski Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 global securityUSA DoD press releasedGun camera satellite imageryAircraft reconnaissance imageryOn the ground From some of the major USA involved conflicts since WW2Including some of last year's declassified from ongoing operation "Iraqi freedom "Nice site...will take a while to get through....What's the debate... Tankus?WW2...Did the holocaust really happen?Vietnam...Did the Americans commit atrocities there?Iraq..was it better looking after desert storm than before?Korea...Is that my dad in one of those pictures?Are these pictures really taken by an alien...(ooops wrong thread)...well...Baron von richthofen then...None of the above :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankus Posted April 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 Civilian death toll ...Aerial bombing has come a hell of a long way from bomber Harris , and Goering , but then the ease of global movement has made elements on the receiving end have options outside an elected government for revenge..... perpetuating it ...Do we need our boarders back ..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devanski Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 Really is a great site...at the bottom another world opens....Security...WMD...Intelligence...Space....This will need to be added to my fav's Tankus...a lot to take in :o ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurdy Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 From the same site TAn airliner crashed into the Pentagon Tuesday 11 September 2001 in an apparent terrorist attack. If there is any building that symbolizes American national security, it is the Pentagon -- the massive, five-sided office complex that is the headquarters of the U-S Defense Department. But that symbol was severely tarnished when an airliner commandeered by terrorists slammed into the building -- cutting a path of destruction through a portion of the five-story structure.'Attack Pictures'I know it's been said before, by conspiracy theorists, but these photos show clearly that there was no 'plane at the Pentagon that day. Surely there would be some debris, broken off wings, tail etc. but there's nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Besty Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 Mankind is going to destroy the world :ph34r: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankus Posted April 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 HurdyDunno ...but I guess that the planes went in intact and at a steep angle at high speed ...Net result would be a hole and a contained debris field ....fire would take care of the rest ....aluminuim burns at high temp ( kerosene burn)this was a shallow impact of a DC 10 at Sioux city , believe or not but some people walked away from this one .....not much left either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankus Posted April 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 U.S. DEPLOYS B-52S IN GUAM TO COPE WITH NORTH KOREAN SITUATION: MOFAhmmm.... lots of stuff .....this was last night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurdy Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 I remain unconvinced - another one to add to my little book :P -------------------Kao said some E.U. member states, such as France and Germany, indeed intend to lift the mainland China-bound arms export banQuelle surprise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankus Posted April 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 China builds a lot of ex soviet stuff under license ....Im surprised that they are not selling to us .....?china sells 4 frigate's to Pakistan Little book ...or a war and peace sized one ....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurdy Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 About the same size as my little black book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devanski Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 US moving from Germany to Poland.....posted elsewhere :shifty: However, the United States, a leading Nato country, has officially announced its intention to move its military bases from Germany to Poland. The question is how these intentions fit into the Paris obligations?Russia will receive similar answers in the future when American or British military bases suddenly appear in the Baltic countries. This time too, the Nato chief urged Moscow not to be concerned over the radar stations deployed in the Baltics to control Russian territory and over the US AWACS E-3 aircraft flying above Russia's borders. According to Nato, Russia should not worry about the deployment of four Belgian F-16s near Shaulyai and their patrols over the Kaliningrad region.....more grist for the mill?l :)Russia and China and Iran are all jolly friends...... aren't they?Who's gonna make the play on this globe of ours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankus Posted April 13, 2004 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 Who's gonna make the play on this globe of oursChina eventually .....what NATO is doing to Russia , is exactly what the US kicked up about in Cuba in 1962 ........The button was close to being pushed then .....Are we so confident that we are on the "right " and "just " side ....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankus Posted May 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 missing wings and here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurdy Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Curiouser and curiouserRead this articleThe Boeing 757 and 767 are equipped with fully autonomous flight capability, they are the only two Boeing commuter aircraft capable of fully autonomous flight. They can be programmed to take off, fly to a destination and land, completely without a pilot at the controlsThe cell phone calls from the aircraft could not have happened.Please do not ignore this, because only Norad has the flight codes for those aircraft, we did 911 to ourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankus Posted May 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 all bunked in the comments , particularly the phone usage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurdy Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Last one readsCell phone hypothisisTesting has been done on this already, the link to the results are on the link below.I am a senior design RF cell phone engineer( cellular/CDMA engineer) and have designed systems for Sprint, Verizon and Alltel. I have 2 FCC licenses and have worked in the industry for 13 yrs. That out of the way...OK all of the new handsets are .6 to 1 watt max.From what i read several calls were made on flight 93 some were reported to last as long as 20 minuits. NO WAY ! We design these systems to work on the ground, ususally providing "downtilt" to the antenna, so the signal gets pointed downward.There are calculations to do this. The range for a call site is 5 to 20 miles max, but that is on the ground. The handshaking is now refered to in digital as soft handoff, or hard handoff if you are going between systems, or in an analog mode. most phones today are now digital, though some can do both. for a handoff to occur( going from one cell to another) the system needs to have a neighbor list setup, telling the phone which cell is next on the list( i have made around 100 of these). at 500mph, the phone would have passed several sites and it would try to handoff to a site already passed. The phone can be in handoff with up to 3 sites at one time, but generally this can make things worse as it will degrade the signal.Also inside of a metal plane, the signal degrades( it does in a car, or building by 3 to 6 db or more) I have done in building testing for years. each 3 db means 1/2 power. inside a metal plane i would guess it would be about the same, if you stick the antenna next to a window, MAYBE only 1 to 2 bd loss, but still a loss. i havent tested it, but i have a lot of experience in this area. Note there is a lot of messaging between the phone and the site, and at that height the signal would be quite low and the phone would get confused as to which site it is on. I dont know the height the plane was at at that time, but the higher it is, the more signals come in, which degrades the quality and confuses the phone more, not to mention lowering the signal level.1 more thing, in remote areas, where these calls were made i believe, these companies do not build many sites. The sites cost 1/2 million a peice or so.Just try driving from 1 city to another through a very rural area and see if your phone works, we point the antennas down the highways to get the most out of each site. Planes do not fly along highways.when i first heard this, it didnt add up in my head....I remain sceptical about the whole thing.There's a programme on C4 (tonight I think) all about conspiracy theories government propaganda and suppression of the truth.Must watch TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djohn Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 All very strange and I've read as much as I can manage in the past 30 minutes or so.Regarding the cell phone I can't argue with the experts but last month when my son was on his way back from Iraq he called me on his cell phone from a military flight just after leaving a stopover in Cyprus. I believe he was at an altitude of 12000 feet at the time. I will have to double check with him as it may have been a satellite phone which he also has access to. :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djohn Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Rumsfeld is live on SKY news now before the committee! :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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