New AOL Multi-PC issue (leanmoha)

[leanmoha]

Hi all I've got a problem setting up my AOL adsl thing using a crossover cable the network is running I can print and ping both pcs both running winXP sp2 I can even ping the AOL IP my host pc logs unto from the clientpc but for some reason IO can't surf the net from the client. I was reading this discussion and seeing you all seem to know what you're talking about I was hoping that you could walk me through it. I know the router would be easier but there're only 2pcs, the host pc is almost always on as its an alround system with digital sat tv so I don't really want to be coughing out £30 or so pounds for a decent router with usb input for the BT voyager 105 adsl modem to connect into.

I don't know if the problem is McAfee blocking the internet to the client and what to do if it is. I know it block the client's Ip until I stopped it doiing so but I don't know whats up with the internet sharing.

The ADSL is set to sharing but I don't understand the link between the ethernet card in the hst and the ADSL in the host seeing as you may know the AOL ADSL ip is not static.

What is this DHCP business? I've got 2 of them showing up on windows firewall settings for the Host ethernet LAN connetion as well as DNS. All three are checked but not on the ADSL LAN part of the host.

Any help will be greatly appriciated

Thanks

[homecomputeraid]

Hi Leanmoha,

I split this into a new topic. Hope you don't mind. :)

I suspect the problem lies in PPPoE, (Point to Point Protocol over Ethernet), an authentication protocol AOL uses. Even though you can ping the IP of the server you connect to, you won't get to the Internet until you authenticate, or "log in."

You can set a router to log in using your PPPoE settings, then any PC connected to the router will be able to connect, but you can't use that option unless you get a modem.

I'm not sure whether Internet Connection Sharing might be an option for you.

Are both PC's connected to a hub which connects to the ADSL box?

Something like this?

Internet

|

Adsl box

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Hub

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______

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PC1 PC2

[leanmoha]

Hi homecomputeraid

thanks for your reply.

Unfortunately I don't have a Hub so my desired setup looks like this

AOL ADSL

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BT Voyager 105 (modem)

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PC1 (ICS host)

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PC2 (ICS Client)

I don't know if this helps. I contacted AOL and all they sent was a you need to buy a Thompson router email create different user names for the same account and log on as 2 serperate users. But surely buying a router so that two computers can share the internet is over kill. Are all broadband services like that i.e. the PPoE system or is it just AOL that uses this.

Is there a way to log-in from PC2 through its connection to PC1 using another screenname or do I just have to have 2 seperate independent connections and a router period?

Or is there software that acts like a router so that by installing it in PC1 it becomes the router then again that would probably cost a lot therefore making no difference?

thanks

[scuzzman]

In this case - are the 2 computer connected with a crossover cable, or a regular ethernet?

If the latter, they need to be connected via crossover. It has 2 of the wires switched, allowing for transmit and recieve on both machines.

[leanmoha]

Hi Scuzzman

Yes they are connected via crossover at lleast I think so I'm using a Sitecome network connection kit that came with 2 NICs and a CAT.5 cable. I can access files from both PCs and print from PC2 on the shared printer connected to PC1 so I believe the network cable is a crossover as the network is running no problems. Well no problems other than the internet sharing side of things

[homecomputeraid]

I don't know if you're in Britain, or the U.S., but here we have a service called RoadRunner which is very different from AOL type Internet Service Providers (ISP's). All you have to do with RoadRunner is either use the configuration you're using (Internet Connection Sharing), or use a Router, and you're up and running. No authentication needed.

A Router/Firewall is a nice option for you for a couple of reasons. Your Router/Firewall can make the PPPoE connection for you, so it connects once, then all of your computers go through the Firewall/Router. The second nice thing is security. A Router/Firewall will block outsiders from your network.

It is an added expense, but if you're thinking about getting a Router, please get a Router/Firewall that does Stateful Packet Inspection (SPI).

Sincerely,

[homecomputeraid]

Sorry leanmoha,

From your profile I see that you're in Sweden. :)

I have no idea what your options are there.

[leanmoha]

Hi

I'm not in Sweeden Just forgot to fill that section of the profile out. I'll probably will get a router in the end what is the Stateful Packet Inspection (SPI), I've been eyeing one I saw on sale on eBay its a NETGEAR MR314 802.11b WiFi Cable/DSL Wireless Router

From what the picture and discription says its both wired and wireless which is what drew me to it. Hopefully it shouldn't be too complicated to setup. Over here AOl seem to be the only ISP other than the cable companies that don't limit your monthly download. I've never understood that what's the point of being on ADSL paying so much money £25-30 and being limited to how much you can download. Some don't even allow pair-2-pair.

But I guess I've still got a couple of months till my contract expires hopefully the subscription fee will come down or they'll offer me another deal; I'm currently paying £5 less than the standard fee though it should have been £10 but they cut their prices a month after I registared. Anyways if not I'll likely switch to a cable thing depending on how messy the setup will be.

[homecomputeraid]

We can certainly help with the setup. You can probably to a lot of it out of the box. If you're using cable connections (RJ45 Ethernet Cables to the Router/Firewall), it will be very easy. If you're using Wireless, you'll want to set up some security. Either way, we can help with it.

The model of Router you're looking at does NOT do SPI. It says in the Data Sheet that it does Network Address Translation for security. NAT is NOT a firewall. Please choose one like this:

http://www.netgear.com/products/details/WGR614.php which does SPI.

For a further description of basic home networking and firewalls, please look at my Networking Fundamentals Part 2 tutorial:

http://www.windowsforum.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=13745

Have a wonderful New Year! :)

[rong]

My ADSL is no limits full speed £23.40 and Ithink Tesco do it cheaper.

[leanmoha]

Hey rong

who are you with?

[rong]

Pipex

www.pipex.net/products