Invisible§niper Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Can someone please give me some common example of web services/applications that use POP3 and SMTP. I mean does hotmail use any of these. I have use it once in command prompt but who in the world would want to send mail using command prompt these days, especially since all of these HTTP servers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuzzman Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 hotmail.com is an HTTP mail server. POP3 and SMTP are Post-Office Protocol v3 and Simple Mail Transfer Protocol respectively. They are used in typical mail clients such as Outlook, Outlook Express, and Mozilla Thunderbird to interface with a POP3/SMTP server. Most POP3/SMTP setups are offered by ISPs and permium providers only (Yahoo Premium, etc), but GMail does offer POP3 access free.For more information:POP3SMTP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invisible§niper Posted February 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 hotmail.com is an HTTP mail server. POP3 and SMTP are Post-Office Protocol v3 and Simple Mail Transfer Protocol respectively. They are used in typical mail clients such as Outlook, Outlook Express, and Mozilla Thunderbird to interface with a POP3/SMTP server. Most POP3/SMTP setups are offered by ISPs and permium providers only (Yahoo Premium, etc), but GMail does offer POP3 access free.For more information:POP3SMTPI just found something on this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smtp that I can not work out how to do. In SMTP via CMD prompt it says, "End data with <CR><LF>.<CR><LF>". I got to the part where I can type a letter but I can't end it, I don't know what "End data with <CR><LF>.<CR><LF>" means! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 My incoming mail address in Outlook Express is POP3, but outgoing will NOT work if I put SMTP in the box. I have to put' local host.' Why should this be?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ɹəuəllıʍ ʇɐb Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 I just found something on this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smtp that I can not work out how to do. In SMTP via CMD prompt it says, "End data with .". I got to the part where I can type a letter but I can't end it, I don't know what "End data with ." means! means carriage return, and means line feed. You don't need to worry about these - your email client takes care of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invisible§niper Posted February 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 I just found something on this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smtp that I can not work out how to do. In SMTP via CMD prompt it says, "End data with <CR><LF>.<CR><LF>". I got to the part where I can type a letter but I can't end it, I don't know what "End data with <CR><LF>.<CR><LF>" means!<CR> means carriage return, and <LF> means line feed. You don't need to worry about these - your email client takes care of this.Cool, I've worked that out now, thanks,Got another problem though, when I send a message to my own email, which I check on a http website. The the actual DATA section from the SMTP that I sent using CMD, doesn't show up in my email. The mail was definately sent, because I can see the received mail in my email box, but there is no text! How is this, as I did type text in the DATA part of the CMD transfer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invisible§niper Posted February 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 My incoming mail address in Outlook Express is POP3, but outgoing will NOT work if I put SMTP in the box. I have to put' local host.' Why should this be??Sorry again about the double post but I only just noticed this unaswered question here,Anyway I am pretty sure that the reason it will not work is because you have to specify a SMTP server. You can not just tell it to use SMTP as it needs a SMTP server to serve you the e-mail. Just like when you use the POP3 protocol to recieve mail, you have to specify a mail server with eaither an IP address or a server name. This is the same with SMTP. And if you already had a server name it might be because you also need a SMTP account with that server (username, password), and if you already had the server name and the account then that server might not support POP3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ɹəuəllıʍ ʇɐb Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 I'm not 100% sure if I understand your question. To what mail server are you trying to connect: a company mail server, or a private ISP server? If it's a company, ask your mail administrator what you have to specify. If it is a private ISP, check their support website, or contact their support department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 I have just the one home computer. I always used pop.ntlworld.com for imcoming mail, & smtp.ntlworld.com for outgoing mail. After a spot of bother NTL help desk told me to use local host for outgoing, and it works perfectly. This causes me NO BOTHER at all. I was just wondering if there is an easy straightforward explanation for this change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invisible§niper Posted February 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 I have just the one home computer. I always used pop.ntlworld.com for imcoming mail, & smtp.ntlworld.com for outgoing mail. After a spot of bother NTL help desk told me to use local host for outgoing, and it works perfectly. This causes me NO BOTHER at all. I was just wondering if there is an easy straightforward explanation for this change.It also could have been that your incoming mail server(pop.ntlworld.com) was down, this would be why they told you to use localhost(localhost refers to your computer). If you change it back and it works again that would be your problem, I'd say. But what the differences are of using localhost and using a remote server has got me beat, some explanation along this area would be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 If I reset outgoing to smtp.ntlworld.com, it does NOT work. It will on;y work when set as localhost. It causes me no problem at all, but I just cannot understand why I had to change the setting after some bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuzzman Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Did you have to install some software? If so, it may have installed a mail relaying server - but that's very unlikely.Edit: Just found this on the NTLWorld site (andsome, you may want to call your ISP - but I guess if it's not broken, don't fix it): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 I only installed software on my old computer when I first had broadband. On this computer for the first and subsequent installs I configured the settings by hand. Some time ago I had problems and contacted their support. It was suggested that I try the settings that I now use, and things have worked perfectly since. I am just puzzled thats all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invisible§niper Posted March 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 I only installed software on my old computer when I first had broadband. On this computer for the first and subsequent installs I configured the settings by hand. Some time ago I had problems and contacted their support. It was suggested that I try the settings that I now use, and things have worked perfectly since. I am just puzzled thats all.Lol, now we are all puzzled :). I have one more suggestion to your quizz, try and ring the ISP and ask why you have to use these settings now. If anyone can provide a good explanation then it's your ISP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 I only installed software on my old computer when I first had broadband. On this computer for the first and subsequent installs I configured the settings by hand. Some time ago I had problems and contacted their support. It was suggested that I try the settings that I now use, and things have worked perfectly since. I am just puzzled thats all.Lol, now we are all puzzled :). I have one more suggestion to your quizz, try and ring the ISP and ask why you have to use these settings now. If anyone can provide a good explanation then it's your ISP.Ringing NTL is not a task to treat lightly. You can take 10 to 20 minutes before speaking to someone, and are very lucky if the person you speak to is in this country, and not somewhere in Asia, with an accent very difficult to understand. As I said, I was just curious. Everything works so it's hardly worth the trauma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invisible§niper Posted March 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 I only installed software on my old computer when I first had broadband. On this computer for the first and subsequent installs I configured the settings by hand. Some time ago I had problems and contacted their support. It was suggested that I try the settings that I now use, and things have worked perfectly since. I am just puzzled thats all.Lol, now we are all puzzled :). I have one more suggestion to your quizz, try and ring the ISP and ask why you have to use these settings now. If anyone can provide a good explanation then it's your ISP.Ringing NTL is not a task to treat lightly. You can take 10 to 20 minutes before speaking to someone, and are very lucky if the person you speak to is in this country, and not somewhere in Asia, with an accent very difficult to understand. As I said, I was just curious. Everything works so it's hardly worth the trauma.I think I just worked out why... this is because your MS outlook express program goes and gets the mail from a POP3 server as you view it. But it will only do this if you specify a POP3 server!!So you understand that part?Good now for the next part.And if you don't specify a POP3 server you can specify LocalHost for the mail to be directly transfered to your computer. So all the mail goes directly to the harddrive of your computer.I think the reason you have changed is because they have taken their POP3 server down and now you have to use LocalHost so all the mail goes directly to your computer when you open Outlook Express. I also think the reason it is better to work through a POP3 server is becuase the POP3 server stores your mail on the server you do not want the mail to go directly to your computer, for security puposes. I'm pretty sure that this has been exploited, the fact is that almost every program or service MS have made has been exploited in some way. But on the other hand, unless you're a very experienced hacker/malware writer you wouldn't have the knowledge to exploit it.And here is an interesting link I have found about this change, this especially applies if you have PC Cillin 2000.http://www.uwindsor.ca/units/its/helpdesk/...5c?OpenDocument Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 I decided to give NTL a ring and see what the wait time for service was. Not that I am worried, but I just like to know these things. They said that it was my AV program that wanted the change as it scanned incoming and outgoing mail. Just for an experiment I disabled my AV and set outgoing mail as smtp.ntlworld.com. Mail went perfectly unti I re-enabled my AV. So now I know the answer. I have my settings back to local host, and am completely happy because I know why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuzzman Posted March 3, 2006 Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 Great! That makes perfect sense. Thanks for the effort, andsome :flowers: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invisible§niper Posted March 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2006 I decided to give NTL a ring and see what the wait time for service was. Not that I am worried, but I just like to know these things. They said that it was my AV program that wanted the change as it scanned incoming and outgoing mail. Just for an experiment I disabled my AV and set outgoing mail as smtp.ntlworld.com. Mail went perfectly unti I re-enabled my AV. So now I know the answer. I have my settings back to local host, and am completely happy because I know why.That's exactly what that link was about that I posted, anyway good job for finding yourself. The more about computers you learn the more your computer will satisfy you.And by the way if you rember that little problem's sollution I think it would be a very common problem with alot of other people because that specific problem is related to a combination of Pc Cillin and OutLook Express. And Pc Cillin plus OutLook Express are extremely popular programs, I use to have Pc Cillin 2000 myself :) :) :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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