moon Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 ...I'm with the players on this one. Go on, tell me I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 no way........the players behaviour is despicable, Rio missed a drug test, plain and simple, its against the rules......if the FA didn't enforce those rules then who are the first ones to complain????The players should want to play for their country no matter what, no matter who their team mates are........Players are paid too much money and behave like spoilt children and if i was Sven i would drop the lot of them and get in 23 players who WANT to play for ENGLAND. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon Posted October 8, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 Well, the FA have just announced that they will play. Argue with you next time. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 trust the FA to spoil things!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon Posted October 8, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 No, sod it, I'll state my case anyway, based on what I've just heard mind.Rio passed the drugs test four hours late.The team had their hearts set on beating Turkey, have trained for it, lived it , breathed it and seen their plans dashed by their own countrymen ! You've seen the lousy referees that spoil good games , you know that officialdom in football is a joke. The FA, in being so harsh, were acting according to instructions passed down from central government. The decision was unsporting !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 The law states that any player not turning up for a drugs test is deemed to have failed it. What sort of an outcry would the english make is the turks fielded a player that had failed a drugs test??The FA are right on this one, and should stand their ground.Rio took the test 36 hours after he should have and yes he passed it, but what could have worked its way out of his system in 36 hours.I have the utmost respect for Rio's talents and am not questioning his integrity, but rules are rules and just because we have an important game, this does not mean that we can bend those rules to suit ourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon Posted October 8, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 but what could have worked its way out of his system in 36 hours.Absolutely nothing performance-enhancing.(Sorry I was wrong about the time. It was either wrongly reported or I misheard it)You're belittling the team spirit which is bred into these guys and makes them worth the wages. They're people, not machines, and sometimes the law is an ass. ( Did you get your name from Morpheus in the Undergrowth ? I remember we done it in school :D ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanHo Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 I'm with Morpheus on this one and agree with everything he said. The more money that is poured into the wrong places in the game - the more cynical and commercial it becomes. I am old enough to remember when football was a sport and not a business, when sportmanship prevailed, when you could safely take your family to a big game and when the stars were role models to the young.However - I can well understand footballers seeking solace in binge drinking, drugs and sex parties. Having to pay tax and national insurance of more than £40,000 per week and being only left with only £60,000 pocket money is shocking and enough to cause anyone to go off the rails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 the law may be an ass, but it is still the law and needs to be obeyed by those who follow it i.e. the proffesional footballers.He still failed a drugs test by the letter of the law and that is what should be looked at in this case.i'm not trying to belittle the team spirit, but the england squad need to remember that they are representing ENGLAND and the English Football Association and not Rio Ferdinand.Remember the team is England, that is where their spirit should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon Posted October 8, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 Turkey 2, England 1 then. I won't bother watching. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 so cynical.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 I too am with morph and alan on this one. Footballers these days are spoilt, namby pamby, over paid, over hyped, big headed scruffy looking brats. Unfortunately there is far too much money let loose in the game now, and it's all come out of the pockets of those who are daft enough to pay grossly inflated admission fees, and ridiculous prices for replica kit. I would not advocate a return to the old days when there was a maximum pay rate of about £20 per week, but at least in those days the game was played in the right spirit. A team did not set out NOT TO LOSE, they set out to WIN, but win fairly. Sure you had the odd mucky player, but you certainly didn't have the cynical fouling that you get now. If a man is likely to score and do you out of your gross win bonus, then it's evidently OK to hack his feet from underneath him, and risk breaking his leg. I'd rather watch the kids play in the park. It always amazes me when I hear commentators saying about a player, "he's only been on for fifteen minutes and has already earned a penalty". How according to the rules of the game can you earn a penalty? A penalty is awarded by the referee because of a foul in the penalty area.Regarding the crap referees mentioned and the claim that they spoil the game. You want to try the job, I did for several seasons. It's not so easy trying to be everywhere on the pitch at once, especially these days with all the cynical dirty play that occurs. The referee expends far more energy than any of the so called players in a match, he has to keep moving all the time to keep up with the game. I would challenge any critics to give it a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon Posted October 9, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 Well, my gripe is actually more with Linesmen and their offside rulings. All they have to do is run up and down half the park in a straightline looking in one direction. It's probably this lack of total responsibility that causes them an inferiority complex which, in turn, causes them to raise their flags for offside when it's not and keep them down when it is. You'll see two or three such incidents on every telly replay and it's their failings which determine results to the detriment of the quality of the teams. No doubt the current FA board is composed of ex-linesmen.Cynical ? Moi ? :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 It's very easy to spot errors on a TV replay. Linesmen are after all only human, and I have yet to meet anyone except myself who can claim to be perfect. If linesmen and referees are to be nearer to perfection, how about players being a lot less cynical, and prone to cheating. How often in a match do you see fouls such as hacking, kicking and shirt pulling on what the player thinks is the blind side of the referee? How often do you see players taking a dive in the hope of EARNING a penalty? Just try running the line or refereeing a match or two, then tell me what you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon Posted October 9, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 Just try running the line or refereeing a match or two, then tell me what you think.Unfortunately, my fairly good vision disqualifies me from the job. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 andsome, if you have a planet sized brain, surely you would know what infringements are going to occur before thay actually do??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted October 10, 2003 Report Share Posted October 10, 2003 andsome, if you have a planet sized brain, surely you would know what infringements are going to occur before thay actually do???True, but I no longer have the energy to referee, I have to spend so long combing my hair and generally preening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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