expertec Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 How do you tell whether you Athlon XP is Barton or Thoroughbred?It's an Athlon XP 2600+, 1.92 GHz. :huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 My XP 2700 registers as a Thoroughbred in Aida 32. I think it does, I've seen it register somewhere. I'll look when I'm back on that machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expertec Posted February 23, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 I've looked in Aida32 and I don't see it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-pops- Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 I'm always curious as to why there is so much interest in the finer points of central processing units i.e Barton or Thoroughbred, AMD or Pentium, Oxo or Bisto.These devices all do the same job and, I would expect, with like for like speed there would be no difference in performance. As far as I can tell, the differences in nomenclature relate to the technology of the internal construction/workings of the device and have no relevance or importance in general use.I've built dozens of computers containing various different types of CPU. My criterion for purchase has almost always been what can I get for the highest speed at a reasonable price. This usually means buying the model that has just been superseded by a faster one, consequently it has come out of the top price category down to something reasonable but, I have to say that I have never found any difference between like for like devices. Have I missed something important? :mellow: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djohn Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 Yep! you may have -pops- :( Knowing the actual model of your CPU can be very important when it comes to the motherboard. I have the ECS K7S6A which is quite a modern board, but comes in three model numbers. Depending on the model number on the board this will determine which CPU can be used. Some versions will take only the Palomino, some the Thoroughbred and others the Barton.My board will take only the Palomino CPU, even with the latest BIOS flash. I missed the newer board by about 1 month but this now restricts me to my present CPU of 1800XP unless I change the board as well. There are a few Palomino's up to 2400XP but they are very hard to find now. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-pops- Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 Oh!I must admit, though, that I buy motherboards/cpu's/RAM etc. by their compatibility with each other. Again, I don't give consideration to the Barton, Coppermine, Thoroughbred other than in that.Thing is though, in this enquiry from expertec, it appears that he has a unit already and is curious about the build of the cpu already there. Now, I may have all my priorities wrong in this but, any of the machines I build either for myself or anyone else, when they are working properly, little or no consideration is given to the internal parts or workings. OK, it may be important for upgrading but my recommendation normally for upgrades is "don't". I should qualify this. Itty bitty upgrades such as changing one or two components is seldom successful in my view. If I want to upgrade the way I do it is to retrieve anything basic (case, modem, optical drives, hard drives- if appropriate - and peripherals) then renew the motherboard, cpu, RAM i.e. all the parts that are important for an improved perfomance. Otherwise, it is often a waste of time because it doesn't show the expected improvement or doesn't work at all :( Pleaase don't think this is a criticism of anything that anyone does or wants to know about their machine, I'm just curious about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shirley_Crabtree Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 I know absolutely nothing about the subject but I gather that certain chip-types are better than others for overclocking and the like.Same goes for motherboards,ram and graphics card ram.Shirl.PS.Someone very clever will,no doubt,be along shortly to explain the differences in more depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expertec Posted February 23, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 I just want to know so I can update my profile here on WF :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 As far as I know, the Barton comes with more L2 cache, so it should perform better than the Thoroughbred rated at the same speed. (how much more though i don't know), you would probally see a differance in the speed of encoading movie files.Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 Yep, mine comes up as 'Thoroughbred' under CPU in Aida 32. Thought it did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilch Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 Ok Expertec You have a Thorough bred chip. XP 2600 with 256k cache.For everyone :-Here's a table of all of the Athlon XP processors available.1500+ AX1500DMT3C = 1333MHz Palomino (Model 6) 266FSB (133.3 x 10), 256K cache, 1.75V, 90ºC Max Die Temp 1600+ AX1600DMT3C = 1400MHz Palomino (Model 6) 266FSB (133.3 x 10.5), 256K cache, 1.75V, 90ºC Max Die Temp 1700+ AX1700DMT3C = 1467MHz Palomino (Model 6) 266FSB (133.3 x 11), 256K cache, 1.75V, 90ºC Max Die Temp AXDA1700DLT3C = 1467MHz Tbred (Model 8) 266FSB (133.3 x 11), 256K cache, 1.5V, 90ºC Max Die Temp 1800+ AX1800DMT3C = 1533MHz Palomino (Model 6) 266FSB (133.3 x 11.5), 256K cache, 1.75V, 90ºC Max Die Temp AXDA1800DLT3C = 1533MHz Tbred (Model 8) 266FSB (133.3 x 11.5), 256K cache, 1.5V, 90ºC Max Die Temp 1900+ AX1900DMT3C = 1600MHz Palomino (Model 6) 266FSB (133.3 x 12), 1.75V, 256K cache, 90ºC Max Die Temp AXDA1900DLT3C = 1600MHz Tbred (Model 8) 266FSB (133.3 x 12), 256K cache, 1.5V, 90ºC Max Die Temp 2000+ AX2000DMT3C = 1667MHz Palomino (Model 6) 266FSB (133.3 x 12.5), 1.75V, 256K cache, 90ºC Max Die Temp AXDA2000DKT3C = 1667MHz Tbred (Model 8) 266FSB (133.3 x 12.5), 256K cache, 1.65V, 90ºC Max Die Temp AXDA2000DUT3C = 1667MHz Tbred (Model 8) 266FSB (133.3 x 12.5), 256K cache, 1.6V, 90ºC Max Die Temp AXDC2000DUT3C = 1667MHz Thorton (Model 10) 266FSB (133.3 x 12.5), 256K cache, 1.6V, 90ºC Max Die Temp 2100+ AX2100DMT3C = 1733MHz Palomino (Model 6) 266FSB (133.3 x 13), 256K cache, 1.75V, 90ºC Max Die Temp AXDA2100DUT3C = 1733MHz Tbred (Model 8) 266FSB (133.3 x 13), 256K cache, 1.6V, 90ºC Max Die Temp 2200+ AXDA2200DKV3C = 1800MHz Tbred (Model 8) 266FSB (133.3 x 13.5), 256K cache, 1.65V, 85ºC Max Die Temp AXDA2200DUV3C = 1800MHz Tbred (Model 8) 266FSB (133.3 x 13.5), 256K cache, 1.6V, 85ºC Max Die Temp AXDC2200DUV3C = 1800MHz Thorton (Model 10) 266FSB (133.3 x 13.5), 256K cache, 1.6V, 85ºC Max Die Temp 2400+ AXDA2400DKV3C = 2000MHz Tbred (Model 8) 266FSB (133.3 x 15), 256K cache, 1.65V, 85ºC Max Die Temp AXDA2400DUV3C = 2000MHz Tbred (Model 8) 266FSB (133.3 x 15), 256K cache, 1.6V, 85ºC Max Die Temp AXDC2400DUV3C = 2000MHz Thorton (Model 10) 266FSB (133.3 x 15), 256K cache, 1.6V, 85ºC Max Die Temp 2500+ AXDA2500DKV4D = 1833MHz Barton (Model 10) 333FSB (166.6 x 11), 512K cache, 1.65V, 85ºC Max Die Temp 2600+ AXDA2600DKV3C = 2133MHz Tbred (Model 8) 266FSB (133.3 x 16), 256K cache, 1.65V, 85ºC Max Die Temp AXDA2600DKV3D = 2083MHz Tbred (Model 8) 333FSB (166.6 x 12.5), 256K cache, 1.65V, 85ºC Max Die Temp 2700+ AXDA2700DKV3D = 2167MHz Tbred (Model 8) 333FSB (166.6 x 13), 256K cache, 1.65V, 85ºC Max Die Temp 2800+ AXDA2800DKV4D = 2083MHz Barton (Model 10) 333FSB (166.6 x 12.5), 512K cache, 1.65V, 85ºC Max Die Temp 3000+ AXDA3000DKV4D = 2167MHz Barton (Model 10) 333FSB (166.6 x 13), 512K cache, 1.65V, 85ºC Max Die Temp AXDA3000DKV4E = 2064MHz Barton (Model 10) 400FSB (196.6 x 10.5), 512K cache, 1.65V, 85ºC Max Die Temp 3200+ AXDA3200DKV4E = 2163MHz Barton (Model 10) 400FSB (196.6 x 11), 512K cache, 1.65V, 85ºC Max Die Temp This is a list of all the AMD 32bit Processor's From here-pops- The reason that most people care what chip they have is all down to performance. The barton chip's tend to be the fastest there are. Thoroughbred's are cheaper but lack less cache, making them slower. On a Tool like 3Dmark 2001 the XP2500 Barton is quicker than the XP2600 Thoroughbred.On another note, the thornton chip's are a cross between the Thoroughbred's and the Barton's. They are a slower chip speed but have the 512k L2 cache. If you can get one of these unlocked which some where, you can take the speed of them on air cooled chip to about 2.3ghz. This is why most people care soooooo much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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