moon Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 Lord Sainsbury has given the Labour Party eleven million quid.Lord Sainsbury is the government's top GM consultant.The government says that GM food is safe.Last week, Greenpeace blockaded Sainsbury's claiming that Sainsbury's milk was from cows fed with GM feed. Go figure. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 Lord Sainsbury has given the Labour Party eleven million quid.Lord Sainsbury is the government's top GM consultant.The government says that GM food is safe.Last week, Greenpeace blockaded Sainsbury's claiming that Sainsbury's milk was from cows fed with GM feed. Go figure. :DNo more than you would expect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankus Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 contamination on a massive scale in the US Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 contamination on a massive scale in the USDid we really expect any different result? It stands to reason that as soon as you do this to crops in the field, then the genes will spread to neighbouring fields. The government ruling on allowing a few yards for safety round each field is ridiculous. Bees can fly up to five miles per trip to gather pollen, spreading the genes. Only idiots could dream up such policies. I'm just glad that I've already had nearly 68 years of my life, even though I had to live throughout a world war. I would not like to be my grand children's age, their future is full of new and weird illnesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon Posted March 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3534919.stm'Wrong comparison' Peter Melchett, Soil Association policy director, told BBC News Online: "We applaud the Environmental Audit Committee for saying what we've been saying for the last five years - the biodiversity benchmark for GMs should be wildlife-friendly crops like organic ones. "It's a key recommendation to ask whether GMs can be as good as or better than the best alternative, not the worst. "But the government does now seem prepared to ignore not only the public and its own advisers but also Parliament in forcing GM crops on us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-pops- Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 The thing that saddens almost to the point of tears is that these abominations are not necessary. I've pontificated before about the GM debate and don't want to repeat myself unduly but I wish someone could offer some proof that this artificial genetic manipulation (meddling) is necessary for the good of the planet or of mankind. It isn't necessary and should be stopped before Monsanto (or whatever they call themselves now) achieve what Hitler never managed and take over the world because in the extreme, that is what could happen. :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :( :( :( :( :( :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankus Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 MonsantoI cannot help feeling that brown envelopes have changed hands ,which is why the gov is pushing so hard to contaminate the UK beyond recovery .The real worry is that experimental genetically engineered plants grown to produce complex antibiotics (and not for human consumption ) , have got out into the food chain in the US as the labs (mere greenhouses) are not hermetically sealed.... It takes a very long time (10 +) years to get a new antibiotic on the market to fight viruses and fungal growths (witness the growing problem with steph in UK hospitals ,where sometimes the only way to stop its spread in the body is amputation , as nothing works) Because these viruses/fungal growths have already been exposed to the antibiotic in the "natural" environment ,they will become hardier and more immune to even the new promising "cures" which haven't yet even passed human trails ....Hopefully there will a law case with the organic market in the UK defining just how much compensation should be given over contamination of their crop ....If the financial price it too high in the end , it may be the only way to stop its spread , before its too late ....Once out , we cannot go back .. ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon Posted March 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 In a recent case in Canada an organic farmer was successfully sued for breach of patent because nearby GM crops had contaminated his own. I kid you not. Really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 In a recent case in Canada an organic farmer was succesfully sued for breach of patent because nearby GM crops had contaminated his own. I kid you not. Really.It also happened in the USA. The Monsanto spies came along and sampled the farmers crop. They found GM material in the samples, which had got there by pollution from nearby field. As he always saved some of his own seeds for next years crop, he planted seeds that had GM genes. BASTARDS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankus Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 Monsanto vs. Schmeiser 1997: Veteran Canadian farmer Percy Schmeiser discovers popular herbicide Roundup didn't kill canola plants on the roadside bordering his farm. Following his standard practice, Schmeiser saves seed to reuse the following year.1998: Schmeiser is targeted by Monsanto for alleged biotech seed patent violations after detectives find herbicide-tolerant seed spread across about 1,000 acres of his canola fields. Schmeiser maintains his reuse of the modified seed was inadvertent.2001: Canadian federal judge supports Monsanto's patent infringement case, saying it doesn't matter how the seed got onto Schmeiser's land or whether he intended to benefit from its reuse. Judge orders Schmeiser to pay Monsanto his 1998 profits and court costs, roughly $173,000 Canadian.2002: A three-judge appeals panel dismisses Schmeiser's appeal.2003: In May, the Supreme Court agrees to hear the case in Ottawa.Tuesday: The court is expected to try to balance the interests of industry in having a strong patent law with the broader social and practical implications of giving companies control over life forms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 As I said BASTARDS. Heaven help us all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-pops- Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 The last paragraph in my outburst (above) is even nearer to reality than I thought.Truth is stranger than fiction and much, much more nauseating.I've been a chemist all my working life and I feel sickened at what is going on the name of "science" these days.I hope the depression I'm feeling from this isn't terminal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankus Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 I hope the depression I'm feeling from this isn't terminal.But its contagious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon Posted March 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 One man's depression is another man's crop destruction. Good hunting. :DFootnote;Two motorcycles linked by a heavy-gauge piano wire can clear an acre in under two minutes. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent Smith Posted March 7, 2004 Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 Footnote;Two motorcycles linked by a heavy-gauge piano wire can clear an acre in under two minutes. :DYep, but a catapult and a couple of cannisters of agent orange have a much longer term effect :ph34r: :ph34r: :o Mr. M.PS Mind you, can have some strange effects Example :huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon Posted March 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2004 Yeah, my way's better. You might shave a couple of tall hedgehogs but war is war. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted March 8, 2004 Report Share Posted March 8, 2004 I'm normally VERY law abiding, but if they plant any round here, I will be there doing my bit to help destroy them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankus Posted March 9, 2004 Report Share Posted March 9, 2004 The Environment Secretary Margaret Beckett gave a qualified go-ahead to the commercial cultivation of genetically modified herbicide-tolerant maize todayMoney must have changed hands....?Independent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-pops- Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 This can so easily backfire on the farmers.Are we going to be told where this stuff is to be planted?If yes then it's most likely it will be destroyed by sensible but perhaps misguided people.If no then it's possible that ALL maize crops will be destroyed by sensible but perhaps misguided people.The idiocy of this whole thing gets worse every day :( :( :( :( :( :( :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon Posted March 10, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 I am not a crop terrorist. The government are crop terrorists. Out with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted March 10, 2004 Report Share Posted March 10, 2004 I am not a crop terrorist. The government are crop terrorists. Out with them.Couldn't agree more. The Beeb don't seem to have given any space to the reports of major problems reported in the USA, unless I have missed it in the news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon Posted March 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 Seems the government are not going to get it all their own wayProbealso, the dreaded 'West Lothian Factor' strikes again. What is wrong with Scottish socialists ? They used to be interesting.Poor Scotlandalso, the Welsh are showing some bottleClever Dragon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankus Posted March 11, 2004 Report Share Posted March 11, 2004 It seems that already anything related to maize and soya in the UK can (randomly)contain trace GM as the whole of the US food processing system has been contaminated. As its a world market .......... UK cattle are already being fed mixed GM maize derived cattle feed . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 It's amazing the way scientists just push forward as though they are God. THERE IS NO PROBLEM we are told. I remember when we were told that eating contaminated beef could not possibly cause CJD. I can't make up my mind just what Cheesy's agenda is in all this. Why is he so hell bent on taking the risk of contamination of the whole environment? It's the same as the argument over the MMR vaccine. "Bugger the electorate, I am Cheesy Blair, and I am God" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankus Posted March 14, 2004 Report Share Posted March 14, 2004 Ministers are threatening to take unprecedented steps under the devolution agreements with Scotland and Wales to ensure that they accept GM crops, The Independent on Sunday can reveal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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