-pops- Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 I am very curious about the reason andsome have adopted a portrait of Mahler as his signature.N.B I am a fan of Mahler as well. I remember attending a very moving concert at the Concertgebouw featuring Symphony No 8 (nickname Symphony of a Thousand) in which there were actually 1,000 performers.(just in case someone thinks that you can't have 1,000 performers performing, well you can :D ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarecrow Man Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 (just in case someone thinks that you can't have 1,000 performers performing, well you can )Now that's what I like about classical music. There is more than a 3 chord guitar player, a drummer who can barely keep a beat and a singer with a voice that makes your cry.I love the way the music flows together, and every instrument has it's part. I am, however, a big fan of metal bands, like Slipknot, but classical does something for me no other music can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catgate Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 So that's who it is. I thought it was Ernest Ackroyd. Who? Well read on.Bradford has given the world Delius, J. B. Priestly, David Hockney and enough woollen cloth to satisfy most of it's needs. But before all these it gave us Ernest Ackroyd, one of the greatest poets of his day . Who can forget the haunting images conjured up by his verse I wandered lonely as a cow,that chews on grass o'er dale and hill,when all at once I saw a crowd, a host of tourists standing still.Most of us tend to think of another poet, unjustly more famous than Ackroyd, when this verse is read, but the truth of the matter is that it is just another case of plagiarism, for which the more famous poet ( whose name we shall not speak ) was quite infamous.Many of Ackroyds verses were classics of their day, and still are. What is there to compare to There was a young man of Dundee, who got stung on the leg by a wasp. When asked," Does it hurt?" he said," No not a bit, it can do it again if it likes." Another incomparable work is The parish pump is broken it squeals at half past three the rusty water that comes out is not quite fit for beerYet another is Broken glass broken galss broken lagss broken ssalg YoikIndeed a veritable genius. He continued ceaselessly pouring out his conceptual abstractions until the day he was certified and locked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 Pops, in my opinion Mahler is THE greatest composer the world has ever seen. Last summer I attended Symphony Hall in Birmingham for a performance of his Symphony number 8. It was conducted by Simon Rattle. The orchestra was well over 100 strong. The choir extended right back up to the organists back, and occupied every side balcony to the ceiling, and also about one third of the downstairs stalls area. There were possibly almost as many performers as audience. The orchestra was The national Youth Orchestra of Great Britain, with choirs drawn from all over the world. Three weeks after the performance the whole cast performed the same work at the proms, and it was later broadcast on TV, you may have seen it. Mahler's music is at times so moving that I am not ashamed to admit that I frequently feel so emotional when listening to it, that I shed more than a couple of tears. I feel so sorry for people who cannot experience the sheer pleasure that I do from such greatness.I don't know if you are familiar with Gilbert Kaplan, a billionaire American publisher, who has made a life time study of Mahler with particular reference to The second symphony, 'The Resurrection'. He is of the opinion that no one performs it exactly how Mahler intended it to be performed. He is an extremely talented amateur musician. He wanted to show how it should be preformed, and to this end he hired a hall and full orchestra and choir and put on a performance. It received such critical acclaim that since then he has been invited to perform the work at dozens of venues all over the world. I attended his performance in Symphony Hall, and bought the CD.Click here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-pops- Posted June 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 andsomeYes, I am familiar with Gilbert Kaplan and the Resurrection Symphony although I've not heard him live.I know what you mean about emotional aspect of his (Mahler's) work and I have the same reaction as you. I also rate Wagner in a similar, but lesser way.My first love, though, is Bach, Haydn, Handel. Although I am an atheist, there is nothing that gets my musical emotions going more that one of the great religious oratorios - The Creation for example. On a lesser scale, the superb chamber music of Bach takes some beating.My experience of the Mahler 8 was many years ago when the Concertgebouw was in great danger of sinking into the sand that Amsterdam is built on and the concert was organised to raise money to put the building on stilts. von Karajan was conducting the Berlin Phil., the Vienna Phil, the Concertgebouw orchestra and choirs from all over Europe. Something I could never forget.I heard Simon Rattle's version on the radio, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted June 29, 2004 Report Share Posted June 29, 2004 I have a little trouble getting into Haydn, Handel and Bach, although I do love Bach's organ music. I am much more into, apart from Mahler, Sibelius, Shostakovitch, Wagner, Puccini, Verdi, Chopin, Liszt, Howard Hanson, Nielson, Tchaikovsky, and Dave Brubeck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankus Posted June 30, 2004 Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 And thers me thinking it was a gay thing...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted June 30, 2004 Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 And thers me thinking it was a gay thing...?Don't quite understand this posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-pops- Posted June 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 And thers me thinking it was a gay thing...?Don't quite understand this posting. Neither do I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artist Posted June 30, 2004 Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 And thers me thinking it was a gay thing...?:lol: :lol: :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-pops- Posted June 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 And thers me thinking it was a gay thing...?:lol: :lol: :lol: ??Can you explain, then, Artist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarecrow Man Posted June 30, 2004 Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 He thinks classical music is a 'gay thing' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Besty Posted June 30, 2004 Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 LOL just a tad. Well for younger people. For older people it is more gentlemanly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-pops- Posted June 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 He thinks classical music is a 'gay thing' ?What a strange point of view.A lot of the classical composers would be considered sexual athletes these days having rampant love affairs with numerous women and producing children prodigiously. Yes, there were composers who would fit within the definition but, remember that the term "homosexual" is of fairly modern origin to fit in with the current social structure and only came into use in the late 19th century. Prior to that, sexuality not defined and all sexual activity was something of a free for all.In the list of composers given in andsome's reply, I think only Tchaikovsky would be classed as homosexual and that would be mainly because the word or definition was contemporary with him becoming well known.Anyway, don't be disparaging about gays. The whole of the entertainment, travel and fashion industries and a huge amount of the modern social culture would be untenable if the gay content were removed.Gays are all around you. There is no obligation to be a mincing queen to be gay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted June 30, 2004 Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 Anyone who thinks that classical music is only for older people should try watching the proms. Go on I dare you, you will be surprised at how many young people attend the concerts. Anyone can just bang their head up and down with a beat, but at least give it a try and listen to some real music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankus Posted June 30, 2004 Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 the geezers got his hand on his hip ....just a bit ooooeeerrrroccasionally like a bit of classical myself if I'm in the mood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted June 30, 2004 Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 You don't just like a bit of Mahler or even listen to a bit of Mahler. YOU EXPERIENCE MAHLER with every bit of your body and soul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankus Posted June 30, 2004 Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 Thats what Julian Clary sez ...too...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarecrow Man Posted June 30, 2004 Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 :lol: :lol: :lol: I didn't mean that classical was gay from my previous post. Someone asked what tankus meant, and I was just explaining it :D Personally I like a lot of classical music, I just don't know names of composers or songs :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted June 30, 2004 Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 Thats what Julian Clary sez ...too...!Didn't know that he was intelligent enough to appreciate the most wonderful music in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankus Posted June 30, 2004 Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 andsome ...I need to come out I love you ....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted June 30, 2004 Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 andsome ...I need to come out I love you ....!'Er indoors will get cross with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvw Posted June 30, 2004 Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 I have a little trouble getting into HaydnI think this is what Tankus was joking about, nothing really to do with Classical music, just different senses of humour.I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankus Posted June 30, 2004 Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 I love you.... too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvw Posted June 30, 2004 Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 Thank you Tankus :) X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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