Intratech Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 British National Party activists have confessed to racially motivated crimes including an assault on an Asian in a BBC undercover documentary.BNP member Steve Barkham told reporter Jason Gwynne how he kicked and punched a man during the 2001 Bradford riots.Full storyA bunch of worthless pigs!! :angry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluecow Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 A bunch of worthless pigs!! :angry:How true.I wonder if the jail sentance will fit the crime???If there's one thing I wish the Beeb had done diffeent it would be to release the story in the winter.Why?This news may kick off riots in the areas affected :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 They need locking up, and the key loosing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 Having had more time to think about this topic, I do have more to add. The BNP need locking up, we are almost all agreed on this point. There is only ONE point on which I agree with them, and that is that Islam is a wicked religion. So of course are ALL other religions. It is a sad fact that more Christians have been killed by other Christians than by any other religious group. Look how many were killed by so called religious Germany in two world wars, apart from all the Jews they killed. It is also very likely that more Muslims have been killed by other Muslims than by any other religious group. It is the same almost across the board. Religion has been the cause of more unrest , death and torture than any other reason throughout history. True, all religions have devout good people in their midst, but why don't they control the zealots? Why don't Christians control bigots like Paisley, why don't Catholics control child molesting priests? Why didn't the Pope speak out against Hitler? Why don't Muslims control their over zealous clerics. Look at what is happening in Iraq now, with Muslim fundamentalists killing honest hard working fellow Muslims. This has nothing to do with the two Gulf wars. Iraq needs rebuilding, but these zealots want to impose religious rule by the clerics. I say again, I would NOT belong to any religious group if you paid me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir T Fireball Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 Not all religions are bad http://www.mothergoddess.com/egypt.html :rolleyes: BNP. Mainly thugs and wannabe nazis. Problem is how to excise the gits without flouting the freedom of speech argument. Some of them have been elected to parliament, so banning the organisation will prove to be tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catgate Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 True, all religions have devout good people in their midst, but why don't they control the zealots?I suggest for the answer you go and look in http://www.angelfire.com/realm3/accord in the section on religion.You will find that the main zealots are the real leaders of the church, and they are the fomenters of unrest. This unrest is part of their power seeking. Religion, in the form that we accept today as conventional religion, has only one purpose, and that is the elevating into supreme power of its leaders, be they Popes, Ayatollas, Bishops, Rabbis, or what ever. The iniquities of the Spanish Inquisition were simply the rearguard action of a religion that was loosing this total power and was trying to "whip in" the recalcitrant, for the benefit of its hierarchy.These recalcitrants were beginning to question the validity of "religion". The Islamic fundamentalists are currently up to the same game. Islam is at about the same stage in it's "progress" as Catholicism was when it was at its most brutal.( i.e. "x" hundred years after the death of its founder).The Aztecs were another example of this religious brutality used to maintain the position of the hierarchy. It is not without significance that throughout history many heads of state have also been heads of the church.As far as the good people in the church are concerned, they would have been good people if they had not been "in" the church. There are as many good people out side as inside, and many more bad inside than out.Here endeth the first lesson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluecow Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 There is only ONE point on which I agree with them, and that is that Islam is a wicked religion. So of course are ALL other religions.Are you a Jehovah Witness andsome??????????No I'm not taking the mickey that's what they say to me on the doorstep.(religion causes war)On that note I'd say that religion is good ( I haven't been to church for over twenty years) It's when you put a lunatic in control and he spreads the wrong or misintereperted version of the truth it goes wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catgate Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 It's when you put a lunatic in control and he spreads the wrong or misintereperted version of the truth it goes wrong.Are you talking politics or religion here? I suppose it makes no difference really because they are both exactly the same animal under a different skin, i.e. power and control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-pops- Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 This will be painful but essential viewing.I urge everyone to watch as much as they can of this programme.For information, I am a devout non-believer in any religious concept. This is fundamentally different to being atheist as that assumes a superior being to be able not to believe in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarecrow Man Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 This is fundamentally different to being atheist as that assumes a superior being to be able not to believe in itThat's right...Atheistadj : related to or characterized by or given to atheism; "atheist leanings" [syn: atheistic, atheistical] n : someone who denies the existence of godthat only applies to "god" not nessecarily religion in it's entirety Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 Not all religions are bad http://www.mothergoddess.com/egypt.html :rolleyes: BNP. Mainly thugs and wannabe nazis. Problem is how to excise the gits without flouting the freedom of speech argument. Some of them have been elected to parliament, so banning the organisation will prove to be tough.This is just a list of goddesses as far as I can see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir T Fireball Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 BNP announce "we hate everyone". :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 At least the BNP are up-front stupid. The party is like a fly-trap for the UK's misfits. You've got no worries there. This is what you ought to be worrying about-http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0707/p15s01-lire.htmlWith a handful of similar groups here they are marshalling financial and moral support from evangelical Christians around the world, and particularly in the United States, to fulfill what they see as their role in an unfolding final drama.Christian Zionist leaders today have access to the White House and strong support within Congress, including the backing of the two most recent majority leaders in the House of Representatives.Silver Ring Thing, anybody ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catgate Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 The problem we have here is one that is not a million miles away from the WMD issue and St Tony. Information can be use in a manner to suit our own ends by giving it spin. I have great empathy with the idea of keeping Britain British. I also think violence of any sort is abominable. However I can see a case being made to proscribe the BNP on the grounds that it is totally made up of, and supported by, violent people, when the real reason is that it is a demonstrable growing threat to the Labour party and its silly PC. If we were to take this issue at face value then we could say we should abolish the church because of the fondness of its members for little boys bottoms.Of course we should abolish the church, and the BNP, and the UKIP, along with the Labour party, the Consevative party, the Liberal party and the office Christmas party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbers Dog Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 I have great empathy with the idea of keeping Britain BritishThe BNP also have this same empathy. The idea of keeping Britain for the British is central to all BNP policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankus Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 I guess its our version of the Finsbury Mosque ....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catgate Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 The idea of keeping Britain for the British is central to all BNP policies.I can't see anything wrong with this idea. Alternatives, like keeping Britain Continental for Europe, or Islamic for Asia, do seem a bit wild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redhat Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 Was an interesting watch.. let's hope some of these thugs now are followed up by the pigs (sorry Damo, didn't mean to call em tht :P ) and these disgusting people are brought to justice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catgate Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 let's hope some of these thugs now are followed up by the pigs It's an interesting and pious hope, but 1) why have they not been attended to before now, surely police "intelligence" is better tha MI6 et. al., and 2) what about the resultant rise in motorists doing 31mph, whilst the attentions of the boys in blue are otherwise engaged? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trackrat Posted July 15, 2004 Report Share Posted July 15, 2004 your all slagging the BNP off but what happened to freedom of speech, it seems to me that ethnic minorities are allowed to say and do as they liike without repercussions but let a white person utter any sort of racist remark and the dogooders drop on them like a ton of bricks.After watching the programme I agree that they have very extremest views but at the end of the day it seems that the islam faith can say and do as it likes with impunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 your all slagging the BNP off but what happened to freedom of speech, it seems to me that ethnic minorities are allowed to say and do as they liike without repercussions but let a white person utter any sort of racist remark and the dogooders drop on them like a ton of bricks.After watching the programme I agree that they have very extremest views but at the end of the day it seems that the islam faith can say and do as it likes with impunity.Very true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redhat Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 I live in Luton, a town with very high racial tension levels. More than several times at my high school we have had fights between seperate racial groups armed with Guns, Machettes (sp) and even Samarai swords. Knuckledusters are common too. I hate those that are causing the trouble, it makes many people in our town live in fear. Many teenagers are not allowed out in the evening, as 9/10 times you will be attacked. I'm not exagerating either, last halloween and 6 of us were followed by at least 30 grown asian men, we were scared for ours lives. We ran fast, and got away. Half an hour later a different group pulled a knife on me and beat me up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 I live in Luton, a town with very high racial tension levels. More than several times at my high school we have had fights between seperate racial groups armed with Guns, Machettes (sp) and even Samarai swords. Knuckledusters are common too. I hate those that are causing the trouble, it makes many people in our town live in fear. Many teenagers are not allowed out in the evening, as 9/10 times you will be attacked. I'm not exagerating either, last halloween and 6 of us were followed by at least 30 grown asian men, we were scared for ours lives. We ran fast, and got away. Half an hour later a different group pulled a knife on me and beat me up.It's likely to get worse I'm afraid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catgate Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 I'll bet you do not have speeding motorists in Luton though. :rolleyes: :whistling: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankus Posted July 16, 2004 Report Share Posted July 16, 2004 Redhat Posted: Jul 16 2004, 14:04Â bloody hell ...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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