British Petroleum

[deuces wild]

Thanks BP for ruining our waters and coastline in Gulf of Mexico. Thanks also for killing our wildlife and pristine beaches and telling us lies about your efforts in fixing this problem.

The tremendous spill continues 46 days unrestricted. The slick is expected to spread across our coral reef off the Florida Keys, pollute the waters and beaches along our east coast and flow into the Gulf Steam heading for the UK.

Live feeds from various "ROV's"

/>http://globalwarming.house.gov/spillcam

Here is the "fix"

/>http://mfile.akamai.com/97892/live/reflector:21145.asx?bkup=21327

And to think BP's CEO whined about wanting his life back.

[-pops-]

What confuses me about this disaster is why on earth wasn't this cap, that has now been fitted, thought of earlier? There they have been fannying about for weeks, more or less watching this unfold.

I wouldn't blame the USA if they blacklisted BP forever - might be good in the rest of the world to do that as well.

[deuces wild]

What confuses me about this disaster is why on earth wasn't this cap, that has now been fitted, thought of earlier? There they have been fannying about for weeks, more or less watching this unfold.

I wouldn't blame the USA if they blacklisted BP forever - might be good in the rest of the world to do that as well.

The easy solution would have been for them to unbolt the upper riser at the flange atop the blowout preventer (BOP) and replacing is with a new riser with flange and valve. The new riser could have been lowered with the valve open, then bolted in place. The valve could then be closed and the bingo......the flow stops.

BP has demonstrated time after time during this event that they have some of the most inept engineers in the world.

Future lawsuits will most likely bankrupt BP, resulting in future cleanup costs on the back of US citizens.

[deuces wild]

The lies continue to stack up by BP CEO Tony Hayward. Here is the latest:

/>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/06/04/national/a122709D03.DTL

He is a liar and is obviously incompetent.

[AlanHo]

The easy solution would have been for them to unbolt the upper riser at the flange atop the blowout preventer (BOP) and replacing is with a new riser with flange and valve. The new riser could have been lowered with the valve open, then bolted in place. The valve could then be closed and the bingo......the flow stops.

I guess they have been unable to find a 5000 foot long extension for the ratchet spanner.

[deuces wild]

The easy solution would have been for them to unbolt the upper riser at the flange atop the blowout preventer (BOP) and replacing is with a new riser with flange and valve. The new riser could have been lowered with the valve open, then bolted in place. The valve could then be closed and the bingo......the flow stops.

I guess they have been unable to find a 5000 foot long extension for the ratchet spanner.

Sorry Alan but there is nothing funny about this.

[AlanHo]

I don't think it's funny - but the work is being done at a formidable depth and there are serious difficulties in carrying it out. I have no doubt that if there were engineers or facilites better equipped to solve the problem - BP would have employed them. After all, every day is costing them millions. Even Obama's advisors have admitted that BP are the best equipped to fix the problem. If the US Oil industry had a solution - the US authorities could and would have stepped in.

There are all sorts of amateur solutions being advocated - including the idea you listed - which would have been done if at all possible. Undersea robots are wonderful - but they have their limits.

Throwing rocks at BP whilst they are wrestling with the problem is not going to help - they are investing all their resourcs in tackling the disaster and deflecting their attention by constantly carping at them is not helpful. I wonder if the same attitude would have prevailed if it were Mobil Exxon and not BP who had organised the drilling (which was being carried out by third party sub-contractors who work for all the different oil companies).

The environmental disaster being inflicted on America is a tragedy - but so was the environmental disaster that the US has heaped on other parts of the World by their war mongering politicians and military. Aided and abetted by Britain of course.

For many years the US has been the World's biggest consumer of oil and the worse polluter - the US economy is founded on cheap oil to such an extent that for years American industry and cars have been horrendous gas guzzlers which has resulted in a dramatic affect on atmospheric pollution that is inflicted on the whole World. Even now America is not playing its full part in reducing oil consumption and there is great pressure to find more and more oil to feed the beast. This problem is made even worse by the emergence of India and China's rapid growth in oil consumption.

The consequence of all this is that oil companies are being encouraged to search for oil in ever more difficult places which are at the very limit of technology. This latest disaster is a clear example of the risks being taken.

I am not decrying the fact that people are putting forward ideas to stem the leak - only the fact that emphasis is placed on criticising BP rather than trying to encourage and help them. This article is topical

[deuces wild]

Throwing rocks at BP whilst they are wrestling with the problem is not going to help - they are investing all their resourcs in tackling the disaster and deflecting their attention by constantly carping at them is not helpful. I wonder if the same attitude would have prevailed if it were Mobil Exxon and not BP who had organised the drilling (which was being carried out by third party sub-contractors who work for all the different oil companies).This article is topical

Pure BS.

Keep defending them because they are a British company. Tell me what you think in a couple of months when the crap starts landing on your beaches.

I doubt you will be laughing then.

[CurlyWhirly]

BP is an international company and if the blowout preventer had worked properly in the first place, the oil leak wouldn't have happened :(

Tory MP Andrew Rosindell said: 'It is not the British government or the British people who are to blame. It's a multinational company and it is up to them to fix this.'

[CurlyWhirly]

The blame game goes on - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36912754/ns/us_news-environment/

Facing an unprecedented environmental disaster along the Gulf Coast, not to mention lawsuits, BP told NBC on Monday that while it was taking responsibility for the cleanup, the accident that triggered the disaster was not its fault.

"It wasn't our accident, but we are absolutely responsible for the oil, for cleaning it up, and that's what we intend to do," BP Group CEO Tony Hayward told NBC's "TODAY" show.

The rig that exploded on April 20 and then sank was run by another company, Transocean, he reminded viewers. That rig, he said, "was run by their people, their processes."

[AlanHo]

Since the rig that exploded was owned and run by Transocean (who I have read are a multi National company with offices in Houston Texas) - why are BP having to take all the flak and Transocean seemingly let off the hook? I guess there is a reason for it - but it has escaped me.

I seee that the oil spill is reaching the volume released in the Persian Gulf during the Iraq Gulf War - I lived and worked in the Middle East at that time and saw first hand the devastation done to the ecology. I have huge sympathy for the USA and its people but feel that the current tub thumping will do nothing the expedite a solution. The best brains in the business are trying to solve the problem and shouting at a surgeon whilst he is doing open heart surgery doesn't seem to me to be the most sensible thing to do.

[andsome]

Thanks BP for ruining our waters and coastline in Gulf of Mexico. Thanks also for killing our wildlife and pristine beaches and telling us lies about your efforts in fixing this problem.

The tremendous spill continues 46 days unrestricted. The slick is expected to spread across our coral reef off the Florida Keys, pollute the waters and beaches along our east coast and flow into the Gulf Steam heading for the UK.

Live feeds from various "ROV's"

http://globalwarming...se.gov/spillcam

Here is the "fix"

http://mfile.akamai.....asx?bkup=21327

And to think BP's CEO whined about wanting his life back.

The first link is not showing anything. The second wants me to download something, which I am reluctant to do. It would appear that B.P.'s record is not very good, they have had multiple accidents in the past. probably chasing maximum profits. As has been said in other posts, another company was doing the drilling. I personally don't see any point in defending either company, or being anti British or anti American, neither will get the problem solved. As far as I am concerned BP is a money grabbing company. They fetch the raw oil out, process it and sell the resulting petrol in their own petrol stations. It stands to reason therefore that they should be priced competitively, however they are invariably dearer than anyone else for fuel. Round here they are as much as six pence per litre more expensive than the cheapest.

[AlanHo]

I see that the British Governemnt are getting rather miffed with the US President's anti British attitude - and his insistence in calling BP by its old name - British Petroleum.

Which reminds me - the title of this thread is a misnomer - but an understandable one if the US President and the US media keep calling BP by the wrong name.

BP became a multi-national company a few years back following various take-overs and mergers making it an amalgam of the old British Petroleum, Standard Oil of the US, Amoco of the US, Arco of the US and Castrol of the UK plus other minor oil companies.

It is now as much an American company as it is British - which is why the constant reference to British Petroleum is ruffling some feathers.

I share andsome's view that BP and the other major oil companies are a law unto themselves and manipulate the market with dodgy forward buying/selling and setting unecessarily high fuel prices. They are like the banks - too big and spread over several continents which ensures they avoid proper government influence.

The present disaster is an ecological catastrophe for the US and a financial one for pension funds - because the finance and insurance market invests heavily in BP and the share price has plummeted.

DW has every right to be angry about the disaster - I am too - but it is unfair to attribute it to the British.

[CurlyWhirly]

As far as I am concerned BP is a money grabbing company. They fetch the raw oil out, process it and sell the resulting petrol in their own petrol stations. It stands to reason therefore that they should be priced competitively, however they are invariably dearer than anyone else for fuel. Round here they are as much as six pence per litre more expensive than the cheapest.

Don't forget that most of the petrol price in the UK is fuel duty and VAT.

The oil companies only make around 10p per litre profit and they do, after all, invest in new oil fields.

All governments do is tax it to death and usually squander the money

[CurlyWhirly]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/7806200/Gulf-of-Mexico-oil-spill-Transocean-silent-as-BP-bears-the-brunt-of-anger.html

[deuces wild]

I see that the British Governemnt are getting rather miffed with the US President's anti British attitude - and his insistence in calling BP by its old name - British Petroleum.

Which reminds me - the title of this thread is a misnomer - but an understandable one if the US President and the US media keep calling BP by the wrong name.

BP became a multi-national company a few years back following various take-overs and mergers making it an amalgam of the old British Petroleum, Standard Oil of the US, Amoco of the US, Arco of the US and Castrol of the UK plus other minor oil companies.

It is now as much an American company as it is British - which is why the constant reference to British Petroleum is ruffling some feathers.

I share andsome's view that BP and the other major oil companies are a law unto themselves and manipulate the market with dodgy forward buying/selling and setting unecessarily high fuel prices. They are like the banks - too big and spread over several continents which ensures they avoid proper government influence.

The present disaster is an ecological catastrophe for the US and a financial one for pension funds - because the finance and insurance market invests heavily in BP and the share price has plummeted.

DW has every right to be angry about the disaster - I am too - but it is unfair to attribute it to the British.

Alan, Google British Petroleum and British Petroleum Stock. I did.

/>http://www.nndb.com/company/026/000051870/

/>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=british+petroleum+stock&aq=1&aqi=g-p1g9&aql=&oq=british+pe&gs_rfai=CCDZMAKkKTJ-OJ4vkgASpkrGvCgAAAKoEBU_Qhg1m

Andsome.....the first link I originally supplied in this thread shows ALL the videos. Not all are on at one time. Scroll down and you will see the ones working.

[CurlyWhirly]

Apparently Deepwater Horizon was running out of spec which may have contributed to the oil spillage?

/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transocean#cite_note-14

In September 2009 its Deepwater Horizon rig established a 35,050 ft (10,680 m) well, the deepest well in history -- more than 5,000 feet deeper than its stated design specification.

Reference [15] then takes me to an xls document that I can't read as it's probably something to do with Microsoft Office which I don't have.

I didn't know that the oil well is the deepest ever.

[deuces wild]

DW has every right to be angry about the disaster - I am too - but it is unfair to attribute it to the British.

I do not see where I was blaming the British for this disaster. I was blaming a corporation. Sorry that you see it differently.

[AlanHo]

Alan, Google British Petroleum and British Petroleum Stock. I did.

/>http://www.nndb.com/company/026/000051870/

/>http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=british+petroleum+stock&aq=1&aqi=g-p1g9&aql=&oq=british+pe&gs_rfai=CCDZMAKkKTJ-OJ4vkgASpkrGvCgAAAKoEBU_Qhg1m

Andsome.....the first link I originally supplied in this thread shows ALL the videos. Not all are on at one time. Scroll down and you will see the ones working.

DW your links are third party sites who seem to be using the old company name from about 10 years ago.

Take a look at the BP corporation site where you will find details of the company's history and its composition. You will note that there is considerable american involvement and they changed their name approx 10 years ago.

Click Here

I'm sorry if you got the impression I was suggesting that you were blaming the British - I wasn't. What I tried to point out was that the US president and the media are constantly using the old company name. It used to be a British company but is now an amalgam of British and American oil companies. This constant use of the term British Petroleum may be accidental - but it is widely construed as blaming the British. I am not trying to defend BP because they are British because I know full well they are not - I was merely pointing out that the accident was by a third party sub-contracted to BP who are also not British but an international company. BP are responsible for the accident and have accepted full responsibility. They have thrown huge resources at trying to solve the problem and no-one has yet come up with a better solution. Hence throwing rocks at BP at this juncture is not helpful and Obama is doing it simply to cover his ass hotly imitated by the media.

[deuces wild]

DW your links are third party sites who seem to be using the old company name from about 10 years ago.

/>http://www.nndb.com/company/026/000051870/

Copyrite 2010

/>http://worldailynews.com/cost-for-gulf-oil-spill-clean-up-will-be-severe-british-petroleum/1421/

June 5, 2010

/>http://www.marketwatch.com/story/british-petroleum-plc-sued-for-securities-fraud-violations-relating-to-its-adrs-by-law-offices-bernard-m-gross-pc-bp-2010-06-04?reflink=MW_news_stmp

June 4, 2010

I can continue with additional links but I know you will understand my point.

I'm sorry if you got the impression I was suggesting that you were blaming the British - I wasn't.

Then why did you post:

"DW has every right to be angry about the disaster - I am too - but it is unfair to attribute it to the British."

There is no need for you to get so defensive about this tragedy. I am sure there is plenty of blame to go around.

The bottom line is that we are in day 47 and the Gulf waters, wildlife and beaches have been raped by a money hungry corporation that apparently took shortcuts and had no contingency plans or redundant controls to stop this disaster.

Get ready.........it will soon be headed to your waters.

[andsome]

From one of the above links.

The Oil Company is now juggling problems, trapped in between anxious shareholders and a growing angry U.S public and government. Around 40% percent of BP shares are in the US.

[deuces wild]

I never said anything to the contrary. What I did say, however, was that BP and British Petroleum are the same. B)

[CurlyWhirly]

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natural_resources/article7148985.ece

Transocean, the drilling company whose rig blew up, causing the oil spill, is to go ahead with a bumper dividend payout. It will give shareholders $1 billion (£687m) despite pressure from American legislators.

To me it seems unfair that BP should be forced to suspend it's dividend payments whilst Transocean goes ahead with it's dividend payment.

[andsome]

http://business.time...icle7148985.ece

Transocean, the drilling company whose rig blew up, causing the oil spill, is to go ahead with a bumper dividend payout. It will give shareholders $1 billion (£687m) despite pressure from American legislators.

To me it seems unfair that BP should be forced to suspend it's dividend payments whilst Transocean goes ahead with it's dividend payment.

If they do it will hit millions of innocent peoples pension plans.

[CurlyWhirly]

If they do it will hit millions of innocent peoples pension plans.

Yes as BP pay out aprox £1 in every £8 in UK pension funds.

I heard on the news that UK shareholders account for 40% of total shares and US shareholders are only marginally behind at 39% so the United States will be affected too.