connecting win98 comp to winXP

[DimChandeliers]

I can't get my Win98 computer connected to my WinXP. I have the cable connected to each adaptor. I've run the XP Network connection wizard on each computer. When I search the network on the Win98, only that computer shows. I tried "find computer..." with no luck.

When I search the network on the WinXP computer the process freezes.

Any help??

Thanks

[mark2]

Do you have a software firewall installed ?

Do you have a shared folder on each comp ?

What type of cable are you using ?

[-pops-]

Can't answer your query but :welcome: to the forum

[moon]

Connecting NTFS and FAT 32 machines is a rough ride. Hurdy has some answers, in fact he was going to talk me through it a while back but I bottled out.

[Agent Smith]

Connecting NTFS and FAT 32 machines is a rough ride.  Hurdy has some answers, in fact he was going to talk me through it a while back but I bottled out.

Sorry moon, I have to disagree. There is no difference, caused to the networking, by the file system.

Now, DimChandeliers as has already been asked, what type of cable are you using? If you are connecting pc to pc using standard 10/100 NIC's, then you will need a crossover ethernet cable.

Can you ping between the machines? If you do not know what I mean by this comment, then please say so and I will post detailed instructions.

Regards. Mr. Mouse.

[DimChandeliers]

Now, DimChandeliers as has already been asked, what type of cable are you using? If you are connecting pc to pc using standard 10/100 NIC's, then you will need a crossover ethernet cable.

Can you ping between the machines? If you do not know what I mean by this comment, then please say so and I will post detailed instructions.

Regards. Mr. Mouse.

The card in the Win98 is a 10/100 ethernet controller. Not sure what type of cable it is.

I do not know what ping is. (wasn't that Mulan's male name?)

[DimChandeliers]

Do you have a software firewall installed ?

Do you have a shared folder on each comp ?

What type of cable are you using ?

There's a firewall on the internet connection. Don't think there's any other.

I don't think either machine has a shared folder.

[Agent Smith]

Right, lets start with the easy one, a ping (or ICMP echo to give it it's proper name) is possibly the most fundamental test for a network connection. The pinging machine sends a sequence of packets to a destination address, and listens for a reply. If you receive a reply, then you know that at the very least you have a connection between the machines. Unfortunately just because you don't receive a reply, does not mean that you do not have a connection between the machines, and then we have to start trouble shooting why :(

To perform a ping, you will need to know the IP address of the machine to which you are trying to connect, this can be obtained in several ways, but the easiest are as follows.

For Win95, 98 and ME, go to "start" then "run" and type winipcfg into the box, and click the OK button. A small box will be revealed showing you various settings for your network IP connection.

For Win2K and XP, go to "start" then "run" and this time type cmd which will open a dos prompt window. At the command prompt, type

ipconfig /all

this will then list the information as required -note there is a space after ipconfig.

Now that you have the IP addresses, you can try to ping the other machine. First ensure that all firewalls are disabled, as these will stop a ping packet, then open a dos prompt, as above (except on Win95, 98 and ME where you need to type command), and at the command prompt. type

ping x.x.x.x [where x.x.x.x is the IP address of the computer you are trying to connect to] - note there is a space after ping.

If you have a working connection, you should receive 4 replies from the address you pinged, if the connection is not working, then you will receive 4 Request timed out messages.

If you get a reply, you can ignore the rest of this post and let me know, and we shall take it from there.

Now to the cabling. Ethernet cable is made up of 8 strands in 4 pairs of twists.

The colours used are Blue, Blue and White, Green, Green and White, Brown, Brown and White, Orange, Orange and White. The order in which these strands are connected to the RJ45 plug at each end, is quite specific.

The industry standards for cat 5 cable wiring sequences are as follows.

Green and White, Green, Orange and White, Blue, Blue and White, Orange, Brown and White, Brown

and

Orange and White, Orange, Green and White, Blue, Blue and White, Green, Brown and White, Brown

You can use either sequence repeated at each end to make a straight through cable, but to make a crossover you would use one of each at opposite ends.

Straight through cables are used to connect devices such as a computer or a printer, to a networking device such as a hub, or a switch or a router. To connect a computer directly to another computer you will need to use a crossover cable (Unless using specialised Networking Cards, which I doubt will be your case).

The easiest way to check what sort of cable you have (if you don't have a cable tester) is to have a look at the coloured wires at each end.

Hold the cable in a u-shape, with both RJ45 connectors side by side, and with the retaining clips face down. You should then be able to see 8 coloured wires in the RJ45 connection (unless you are unlucky enough to have a cable with a solid coloured connection, in which case you will need a tester). The colours are Brown, Brown and White, Blue, Blue and White, Orange, Orange and White, Green, Green and White. In a straight through cable, they will connect in the same sequence at each end. In a crossover the sequence is different. Some people do not adhere to the Industry Standards as listed above, so check whether the sequencing is the same in each connector.

I suspect that you have a straight through cable, and that by replacing it with a crossover one, you will solve your problem.

Please post back with any further questions or problems.

Regards. Mr. Mouse.

[DimChandeliers]

Thanks Mr. mouse

1. ping test was negative

2. looks like I have the wrong cable

I'll keep you posted

Thanks again,

Dim

[Agent Smith]

No worries.

Come back shouting if the new cable fails to do the trick. :D

Mr. M.

[DimChandeliers]

Here's the lastest on my situation.

I upgraded the Win98 to Win2000 Pro. I've created the workgroup and the computers can find eachother when I search. It takes about a minute to find, which seems too long. Clicking the workgroup icon to open it takes even longer to display the computer.

I was able to share the printer which is hooked up to the WinXP.

The main thing I want to do is share the internet which is on the WinXP machine.

I have a DSL modem connected via USB. I'm not sure how to configure both machine to share the internet. The wizard in XP has been little help.

[Agent Smith]

Hello again DimChandeliers,

well the good news is that you must at least have connectivity, because you can network the printer :D

Let's try and sort out the rest of the issues. First thing I must ask you to do, is to check that the built in firewall for XP is turned off on your network connection. You will need to go into the network connections box, and select properties for the connection for your network card, and I believe it is under the advanced options (forgive me, but I do not have an XP machine to hand in order to check exactly where it is).

Next, in order to share files on your network, you must actually set the sharing permissions for directories (folders). I would suggest that on each computer you create a directory and give it a useful name (Share will do, but up to you to make it more descriptive), and then you need to right click on the directory and select the sharing option. Click the radio button to allow it to be shared, and set the access type to be full. Once this has been done on both computers, I would suspect that you will get a far quicker response when browsing your network.

Now for the Internet sharing. You will need to install the Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) tool which comes with windows Os's. If it is not already installed, go to add/remove programs, and then windows setup, and I think it is to be found in the Internet Tools section. This needs to be done on the machine with the modem installed.

Once installed, you can run the ICS wizard, which will configure your machine to share it's Internet connection. You will also have the opportunity to create a floppy disc, which you can then run on your other machine to automatically configure it to use the Internet.

Hope this helps.

Mr. M.

[Andy-2004]

Right, lets start with the easy one, a ping (or ICMP echo to give it it's proper name) is possibly the most fundamental test for a network connection. The pinging machine sends a sequence of packets to a destination address, and listens for a reply. If you receive a reply, then you know that at the very least you have a connection between the machines. Unfortunately just because you don't receive a reply, does not mean that you do not have a connection between the machines, and then we have to start trouble shooting why 

To perform a ping, you will need to know the IPA address of the machine to which you are trying to connect, this can be obtained in several ways, but the easiest are as follows.

For Win95, 98 and ME, go to "start" then "run" and type winipcfg into the box, and click the OK button. A small box will be revealed showing you various settings for your network IP connection.

For Win2K and XP, go to "start" then "run" and this time type cmd which will open a dos prompt window. At the command prompt, type

ipconfig /all

this will then list the information as required -note there is a space after ipconfig.

Now that you have the IP addresses, you can try to ping the other machine. First ensure that all firewalls are disabled, as these will stop a ping packet, then open a dos prompt, as above (except on Win95, 98 and ME where you need to type command), and at the command prompt. type

ping x.x.x.x [where x.x.x.x is the IP address of the computer you are trying to connect to] - note there is a space after ping.

If you have a working connection, you should receive 4 replies from the address you pinged, if the connection is not working, then you will receive 4 Request timed out messages.

If you get a reply, you can ignore the rest of this post and let me know, and we shall take it from there.

Now to the cabling. Ethernet cable is made up of 8 strands in 4 pairs of twists.

The colours used are Blue, Blue and White, Green, Green and White, Brown, Brown and White, Orange, Orange and White. The order in which these strands are connected to the RJ45 plug at each end, is quite specific.

The industry standards for cat 5 cable wiring sequences are as follows.

Green and White, Green, Orange and White, Blue, Blue and White, Orange, Brown and White, Brown

and

Orange and White, Orange, Green and White, Blue, Blue and White, Green, Brown and White, Brown

You can use either sequence repeated at each end to make a straight through cable, but to make a crossover you would use one of each at opposite ends.

Straight through cables are used to connect devices such as a computer or a printer, to a networking device such as a hub, or a switch or a router. To connect a computer directly to another computer you will need to use a crossover cable (Unless using specialised Networking Cards, which I doubt will be your case).

The easiest way to check what sort of cable you have (if you don't have a cable tester) is to have a look at the coloured wires at each end.

Hold the cable in a u-shape, with both RJ45 connectors side by side, and with the retaining clips face down. You should then be able to see 8 coloured wires in the RJ45 connection (unless you are unlucky enough to have a cable with a solid coloured connection, in which case you will need a tester). The colours are Brown, Brown and White, Blue, Blue and White, Orange, Orange and White, Green, Green and White. In a straight through cable, they will connect in the same sequence at each end. In a crossover the sequence is different. Some people do not adhere to the Industry Standards as listed above, so check whether the sequencing is the same in each connector.

I suspect that you have a straight through cable, and that by replacing it with a crossover one, you will solve your problem.

Please post back with any further questions or problems.

Regards. Mr. Mouse.

you should make that into a sepatate thread and with a little bit of modification turn it into one of those sticky threads ...u know like u tutorial!

seriously!

[Agent Smith]

Thanks Andy. I may just do that after the server moves. :D :D

Mr. M.

[Andy-2004]

:D good :D and if you can be bothered...put a few pictures in....only a sujestion B)

[DimChandeliers]

FINALLY!

I got the Win2000 connected to the internet.

Turns out the dumb-ass XP network wizard selected the wrong connection

(dsl modem).

I set the PPPOE for sharing thru the LAN and bingo!

thanks again for your help.

Dim