catgate Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 http://news.yahoo.com/s/washpost/20050628/...bts_on_iraq_war Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4may Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 No one believes mr B liar on anything any more, he's all spin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarecrow Man Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 What ever happened to "living off the land", depending upon yourself, not knowing who the neighbour is... It seems soon we will know how many eggs they have in thier fridge...I'd rather not have an ID card, but then again, I cannot speak for myself. My government does that for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 No one believes mr B liar on anything any more, he's all spinLet's here from his supporter if he has one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catgate Posted June 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 I've just realised that Toady B liar is probably the apogee of political incorrectness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarecrow Man Posted June 28, 2005 Report Share Posted June 28, 2005 EDIT to my above post..."I'd rather not have an ID card, but then again, I cannot speak for myself. My government does that for me."change to"I'd rather not have an ID card, but then again, I cannot speak for myself. The majorities government does that for me."Anarchy is becoming more and more desirable every day... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deuces wild Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 As I understand it, folks in the UK and Europe have a lesser problem of identity theft than seen in the US thanks to multiple ID systems.In the US we have social security numbers that, once stolen, open the doors to identity theft. No other ID is necessaryAs I understand it you folks not only have social security numbers but national and local ID numbers, making ID theft more difficult as at least 2 numbers (vs one in the US) are needed to establish bank accounts.Am I wrong? If not, why is a Nationatl ID considered a problem? And why is this a political issue in the UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarecrow Man Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 Canada is the same. SIN (Social Insurance Number) is all you need to take an identity. A 9 digit number. Sure I'd like a better method, but I don't want a National ID either. I recieved a letter from the "Security Office" today about stolen credit card numbers. Apparently someone had come in contact with over 1 million numbers, and may or may not have used my card....If you ask me, it's easy enough to steal an identity, and if I told you I was John Smith, unless you knew otherwise, for all you know I am. I can now charge items to "my" credit card, and next week I think I will be Roger Johnson. John Smith, whoever he is, will be quite upset...Are National ID cards really going to solve this problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 As I understand it, folks in the UK and Europe have a lesser problem of identity theft than seen in the US thanks to multiple ID systems.In the US we have social security numbers that, once stolen, open the doors to identity theft. No other ID is necessaryAs I understand it you folks not only have social security numbers but national and local ID numbers, making ID theft more difficult as at least 2 numbers (vs one in the US) are needed to establish bank accounts.Am I wrong? If not, why is a Nationatl ID considered a problem? And why is this a political issue in the UK?ID theft can of course be a problem in the UK. Regarding credit cards, chip and pin is taking over from signing a credit card receipt, a pin number has to be entered into a small terminal as identification. It is suspected by many in the UK that the governments agenda is to have us all more and more under surveillance. There is now a move to get us away from fuel tax for cars and lorries and make us fit satellite receivers in our cars, which will then allow us to be billed for mileage travelled. Pretty soon if B'liar has his way we will be tagged from the cradle to the grave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyWhirly Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 ID theft can of course be a problem in the UK. Regarding credit cards, chip and pin is taking over from signing a credit card receipt, a pin number has to be entered into a small terminal as identification. It is suspected by many in the UK that the governments agenda is to have us all more and more under surveillance. There is now a move to get us away from fuel tax for cars and lorries and make us fit satellite receivers in our cars, which will then allow us to be billed for mileage travelled. Pretty soon if B'liar has his way we will be tagged from the cradle to the grave.How very true IMHO. This country is getting more and more like Big Brother every day! :( I am referring to the proposed fitting of satellite receivers in our cars to be billed for mileage. I am lucky that I don't own a car as I can't see them extending this scheme to motorcycles but you never know.Going back to the topic, ID theft can be an issue in the UK but I feel that one of the main causes is that people don't shred their confidential documents like bank and credit card statements :o I do and have been doing so for a number of years now as a security precaution as on bank statements you have your name, address, sort code and bank account number printed on it and on your credit card statement you normally have the 16 digit card number on there as well as your name and address.It would be quite easy for someone to gather enough information to carry out identity theft from just these 2 documents as long as they knew your date of birth which I am sure they could find out quite easily if they were determined to get it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korgg Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 Sorry to interfere :) ... I heard some time ago that in UK there are no ID cards... And, as far as I know, it is the only country with this kind of legislation.Maybe it's a stupid question, but how do someone get your ID when necessary ? I have an ID card since I was 14 and doesn't bother me at all .. I can't get your ideea of neing upset :) .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 You are NOT interfering at all, you are entitled to voice an opinion. I, for one, have NO problem with having an ID card as such. I do object however to having to pay for it. Various figures between £30 and over £300 have been mooted. It is also these other measures mentioned above which are causing alarm, such as satellite receivers in our cars etc. It is suspected by many people that the agenda has little to do with controlling imigration or identity fraud, but is more to do with keeping a check on citizens. B'liar is well known in this country as a control freak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-pops- Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 I am in the UK and I have a National Insurance number which is uniquely identifying, a Health Service number, again uniquely identifying and a passport - obviously uniquely identifying.I am of an age where I don't have a National Insurance card but this is now common to have this amongst younger people. I do have a Health Service card and my passport takes the form of a booklet. It is not required by law to have a passport but I choose to have one and am happy to pay for it. It is required by law to have the other two if you want to use the country's welfare system and also if you wish to be employed. They are issued without charge at an early age. Like andsome, I have no objection to having yet another means of identification but I do object very strongly to having to pay a sum of money, ANY sum of money, in order to fulfill this requirement being mooted by our present government.I will go so far as to state that I will not pay money for one of these. The authorities cannot do anything about it because, without an ID card, they have no means of knowing who I am - therefore I cannot be prosecuted. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 Well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catgate Posted June 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 He never seems to know when to keep it shuthttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050629/ap_on_...blair_interview Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4may Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 I am in the UK and I have a National Insurance number which is uniquely identifying, a Health Service number, again uniquely identifying and a passport - obviously uniquely identifying.I am of an age where I don't have a National Insurance card but this is now common to have this amongst younger people. I do have a Health Service card and my passport takes the form of a booklet. It is not required by law to have a passport but I choose to have one and am happy to pay for it. It is required by law to have the other two if you want to use the country's welfare system and also if you wish to be employed. They are issued without charge at an early age. Like andsome, I have no objection to having yet another means of identification but I do object very strongly to having to pay a sum of money, ANY sum of money, in order to fulfill this requirement being mooted by our present government.I will go so far as to state that I will not pay money for one of these. The authorities cannot do anything about it because, without an ID card, they have no means of knowing who I am - therefore I cannot be prosecuted. :)I Agree, as I have said before I Will Not pay for any Goverment sponsered ID card or the like as they cannot organise a boozeup in a brewery at the best of times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 Does B'liar have a supporter on the forum? If so let's here from him/her. Tell us all from whence the sun shines forth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korgg Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 I changed three ID cards untill now. And I paid for them.. It is not that nice since it costs quite a bunch of money.I think you should have been used to the concept "the goverment is watching us". As far as I know, London has quite many security cameras installed all over the city...And as far as paying for the ID card, I think you should get used to it... :D I will go so far as to state that I will not pay money for one of these. The authorities cannot do anything about it because, without an ID card, they have no means of knowing who I am - therefore I cannot be prosecuted. smile.gif*Funny, but it is not going to work :) And I don't like T. Blair... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topband Posted July 2, 2005 Report Share Posted July 2, 2005 Pretty soon if B'liar has his way we will be tagged from the cradle to the graveI was under the impression we were anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwp Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 for all you doubtershttp://eclectech.co.uk/clarkeidcards.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 for all you doubtershttp://eclectech.co.uk/clarkeidcards.phpWaste of time on my daughters crap top. I'll look at it at home later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catgate Posted July 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 Absolutely brilliant. The maker of this should be Knighted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devanski Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 :lol: great pwpepistemology... [n] the philosophical theory of knowledge Had to look that up...but given the definition, I'm ok about why I had to :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 Absobloodylutelybrilliant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwp Posted July 6, 2005 Report Share Posted July 6, 2005 nevermind we can all use our new ID cards to get into the olympics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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