Geek-Squad Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 It’s no wonder to me that people who proclaim that global warming is a big fake are exulting and amassing supporters. Which should not be the case since even the highly controversial documentary film, The Great Global Warming Swindle, DVD available at Amazon, does agree that global warming is happening, only it’s not anthropogenic or human-induced.There really is nothing new about global warming. During the era of the Dinosaurs, from 248 to 65 million years ago, our planet was warmer, the sea level was higher, there were no polar ice, and we had one super-continent called Pangea. Then there was the Great Ice Age, around 2 million years ago, where tremendous ice sheets lowered sea level approximately 450 feet below the current level. That, unmistakably, is a climate change and there were no human activities to induce it, although it did took million of years.Global warming is not a fake or a result of mass hysteria, it has come to pass and it is happening again. Antrophogenic or not, it is us Homo sapiens sapiens who were bestowed the intelligence and privilege to be the steward of all creations. Let’s hope we get our act together before the elephant becomes impatient. So, borrowing a favorite phrase from a web buddy of ours, whadaya say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyWhirly Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 I've always thought that the high fuel duty (in the UK) is just an excuse to gain government revenue from the motorist.It wouldn't be as bad if it was mostly spent on the roads, public transport, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catgate Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 So, borrowing a favorite phrase from a web buddy of ours, whadaya say?You can not expect governments to abandon the idea of it being human-induced for three reasons. First they would loose innumerable excuses to extract more tax, second they would have to accept and admit that they could not control it, and third they would be stuck with everyone finding out about the Emperors clothes.You can not expect big business to abandon the idea of it being human-induced, otherwise they would loose immense marketing opportunities and profit. You can not expect science (with a capital S) to abandon the idea of it being human-induced, otherwise it would lose its massive funding.You can not expect Greenpeas, WHO, WWF , and all the other single parent, childless, lesbian, vegan, blind women with wooden legged dogs who are anti every thing, to abandon the idea of it being human-induced, other wise all their lives would suddenly be meaningless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deuces wild Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 It’s no wonder to me that people who proclaim that global warming is a big fake are exulting and amassing supporters. Which should not be the case since even the highly controversial documentary film, The Great Global Warming Swindle, DVD available at Amazon, does agree that global warming is happening, only it’s not anthropogenic or human-induced.There really is nothing new about global warming. During the era of the Dinosaurs, from 248 to 65 million years ago, our planet was warmer, the sea level was higher, there were no polar ice, and we had one super-continent called Pangea. Then there was the Great Ice Age, around 2 million years ago, where tremendous ice sheets lowered sea level approximately 450 feet below the current level. That, unmistakably, is a climate change and there were no human activities to induce it, although it did took million of years.Global warming is not a fake or a result of mass hysteria, it has come to pass and it is happening again. Antrophogenic or not, it is us Homo sapiens sapiens who were bestowed the intelligence and privilege to be the steward of all creations. Let’s hope we get our act together before the elephant becomes impatient. So, borrowing a favorite phrase from a web buddy of ours, whadaya say?Global warming may be a real thing, but whether it is caused by man is still up to debate. Global climate changes have been happening on planet earth long before the use of fossil fuels. B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 It's no wonder to me that people who proclaim that global warming is a big fake are exulting and amassing supporters. Which should not be the case since even the highly controversial documentary film, The Great Global Warming Swindle, DVD available at Amazon, does agree that global warming is happening, only it's not anthropogenic or human-induced.There really is nothing new about global warming. During the era of the Dinosaurs, from 248 to 65 million years ago, our planet was warmer, the sea level was higher, there were no polar ice, and we had one super-continent called Pangea. Then there was the Great Ice Age, around 2 million years ago, where tremendous ice sheets lowered sea level approximately 450 feet below the current level. That, unmistakably, is a climate change and there were no human activities to induce it, although it did took million of years.Global warming is not a fake or a result of mass hysteria, it has come to pass and it is happening again. Antrophogenic or not, it is us Homo sapiens sapiens who were bestowed the intelligence and privilege to be the steward of all creations. Let's hope we get our act together before the elephant becomes impatient. So, borrowing a favorite phrase from a web buddy of ours, whadaya say?It's true that the climate goes through regular changes, but I have no doubts at all that we are definitely making a serious contribution toward speeding things up at present. Eliminating the rain forests as is happening is a major crime. How is oxygen going to be replaced without these forests? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 The seas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyWhirly Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 Global warming may be a real thing, but whether it is caused by man is still up to debate. Global climate changes have been happening on planet earth long before the use of fossil fuels. B)I totally agree.It's all very well for the Green parties to condemn the use of fossil fuels but, as we have no alternative energy source at present, we have no choice but to continue to use them for the foreseeable future.I have read about cars using hydrogen as an alternative fuel source (and getting the energy from water) but I've not heard any more about it so it's all been put on the 'back burner' If hydrogen were used then there should be a plentiful supply of energy (as the Worlds oceans are massive) and, more importantly, hydrogen produces very little CO2 emissions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rong Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 If hydrogen were used then there should be a plentiful supply of energy (as the Worlds oceans are massive)I think the same thing was said of oil once Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catgate Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 We are rather snookered by the law of conservation of energy which basically states that energy can nether be created nor destroyed. So we need to convert some energy (from somewhere) to get the hydrogen before we can use it. The big question is "from where?".In the case of fossil fuels the energy is stored solar energy which is released by the oxidation process. Then we have to look at entropy, and that is another bag of worms.It seems to me that solar energy is the best bet, because we are getting it whether we want it or not. But to harness it is going to use up a lot of conventional energy, in the manufacture of collection equipment, before sufficient solar energy is collectable in seriously usable amounts.I am of the opinion that farting about with atomic fission and/or fusion will eventually destroy world one way or the other.We are not well placed!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 It's no wonder to me that people who proclaim that global warming is a big fake are exulting and amassing supporters. Which should not be the case since even the highly controversial documentary film, The Great Global Warming Swindle, DVD available at Amazon, does agree that global warming is happening, only it's not anthropogenic or human-induced.There really is nothing new about global warming. During the era of the Dinosaurs, from 248 to 65 million years ago, our planet was warmer, the sea level was higher, there were no polar ice, and we had one super-continent called Pangea. Then there was the Great Ice Age, around 2 million years ago, where tremendous ice sheets lowered sea level approximately 450 feet below the current level. That, unmistakably, is a climate change and there were no human activities to induce it, although it did took million of years.Global warming is not a fake or a result of mass hysteria, it has come to pass and it is happening again. Antrophogenic or not, it is us Homo sapiens sapiens who were bestowed the intelligence and privilege to be the steward of all creations. Let's hope we get our act together before the elephant becomes impatient. So, borrowing a favorite phrase from a web buddy of ours, whadaya say?It's true that the climate goes through regular changes, but I have no doubts at all that we are definitely making a serious contribution toward speeding things up at present. Eliminating the rain forests as is happening is a major crime. How is oxygen going to be replaced without these forests?The seasThey are gradually dying, We are killing them with polution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyWhirly Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 If hydrogen were used then there should be a plentiful supply of energy (as the Worlds oceans are massive)I think the same thing was said of oil onceYes but the mass of the sea is many, many times the mass of the oil fields (so far discovered) and much easier to access as accessing it doesn't require the expense of having to drill for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catgate Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 This is interesting:-http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/global-warming-mostly-hot-air/Regarding the sea, apart from haddock, what are you hoping to get out of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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