trackrat Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 They may teach text speak in schools eventually but that is no excuse for not teaching basic english.Youngsters and some old farts should be taught to use what is appropiate to the circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurdy Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 I hopest that thou are not calling me an ancient gaseous expulsion :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest northamuk Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 Hurdy, I fully understand what you are saying, but while thee, thou, and you, may well have driven our ancestors wild, the total misuse of grammar/spelling (as evidenced on internet chatrooms and forums) is completely indefensible. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurdy Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 I think it should be 'horses for courses'Proper English in the classroom and workplace and colloquial where appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trackrat Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 Hurdy I was not calling you an old fart, as you have not put your birth date in your registration information. I was just stating that as you have just replied that their is a time and a place for english and text speak and people should learn which situation demands which. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest northamuk Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 If they learn "proper" English isn't it to be expected that they can use it? Do we type "Scouse" or "Geordie" or "Scots"? use your dialect when conversing but use what you have learned when communicatig via print, unless, of course, you haven't learned it properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 We'll see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 We'll see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Drovers Dog Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 :P Crikey Mate, have a gander at this, next thing they will be picking on the Aussies!!We'll have to send over the Redfern boys to sort them out!!! :censored: :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 I see no problem with text on mobile phones, it does speed up writing the message. Like Northy I deplore what has happened in general however, with the Americanisation of our language. Why do we have to slavishly follow the Americans in everything they do? I hate to hear 'absolutely' used as a sentence. (Are you going out tonight? Oh absolutely.) I also hate to hear a person called a 'chair', instead of 'chairman or chairwoman'. The word like has now unfortunately become one of the most misused words in the English language. many young people cannot say a single sentence without using 'like' several times. For example, why use 'he was like annoyed, instead of he was annoyed'? Yet another Americanism is to say he went, instead of he said. There are dozens and dozens more. For heavens sake, let's get back to using our own language. I have no problem with the Americans using their own version of the language, but do we really have to follow like a load of sheep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Drovers Dog Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 I see no problem with text on mobile phones, it does speed up writing the message. Like Northy I deplore what has happened in general however, with the Americanisation of our language. Why do we have to slavishly follow the Americans in everything they do? I hate to hear 'absolutely' used as a sentence. (Are you going out tonight? Oh absolutely.) I also hate to hear a person called a 'chair', instead of 'chairman or chairwoman'. The word like has now unfortunately become one of the most misused words in the English language. many young people cannot say a single sentence without using 'like' several times. For example, why use 'he was like annoyed, instead of he was annoyed'? Yet another Americanism is to say he went, instead of he said. There are dozens and dozens more. For heavens sake, let's get back to using our own language. I have no problem with the Americans using their own version of the language, but do we really have to follow like a load of sheep.:P Crikeys, I gotta agree with me old Mate Andsome!!, these goddamn Tanks are fracturing the Bloody good old English we grew up with, even my bloody Missus and all me cobbers from the Pub reckon it is a bit of a suck of the raw old Sav!!!BTW, how did the Kiwis get involved in this, I think they are the ones who follow bloody sheep around!! :censored: :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellie2 Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 Now this is an interesting debate.... my other half has always had a problem with spelling, it was the way he was taught in school I think. It was so bad that I had to write all his letters for him etc.Then came the computer with spell check. Because he knew he had a problem with spelling he always checked everything, he learned from this and now his spelling is one hundred times better. So computers have done something positive in my view.Obviously spell check doesn't teach grammar and punctuation but it is a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Drovers Dog Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 Now this is an interesting debate.... my other half has always had a problem with spelling, it was the way he was taught in school I think. It was so bad that I had to write all his letters for him etc.Then came the computer with spell check. Because he knew he had a problem with spelling he always checked everything, he learned from this and now his spelling is one hundred times better. So computers have done something positive in my view.Obviously spell check doesn't teach grammar and punctuation but it is a start.:P Actually, Nellie, Computors try to!!! Office 2000, and Office XP, really try, but most of us override it!!!People who have used either might notice the blue sqibbly lines under phrases!!JMO! :censored: :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Drovers Dog Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 :P Actually I was hoping that our Members from Ireland would get involved, and any Members from Scotland or Wales??Seeing as we are discussing the English Language!!!English is spoken throughout the Commonwealth!!!But not always the same way!!! :censored: :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Drovers Dog Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 :P I hope noone gets offended with this, I just Posted this Comment on the US Site we sometimes go to, they were talking about how to handle their wives when they bought new jeans, and the question was asked, "Does this make my butt big!"My Comment!Time for a little Aussie Humour!!!I always say to my Missus (Wife) , "God, Darling, you look so beautiful, if others had an arse (butt) like yours, I might be tempted to stray!! :censored: :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
don't ask Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 Actually I was hoping that our Members from Ireland would get involved, and any Members from Scotland or Wales??Seeing as we are discussing the English Language!!!OK - having been through the trauma of leaving my native Scotland in my late 20s to live in that foreign land they call England with hubby and 2 boys - we went through the indignity of people saying 'eh?' or sometimes 'pardon?' when any of us spoke - oh yes - we came from civilised parts and were actually well educated and well spoken ! :D But that was all to do with the spoken word, not the written one.Drover's Dog - leave it mate!! :D :unsure: This little scottish terrier here has ended up having had more than a bellyful of such things in life since then. :rolleyes: The Scots are not an uncivilised provincial nation - we learn reading, writing and pronunciation of English - honestly!! So do the Irish and the Welsh and, I believe, the Australians!!Oooh - I feel a verse of 'Flower of Scotland' coming on :ph34r: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artist Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 People who have used either might notice the blue sqibbly lines under phrases!!Some of it is sort of 'americanised' though............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 As I said before, I see no problem in Americans, or anyone else including Australians using a localised version of the language. What upsets me is the fact that so many young English people slavishly follow Americanism's in every day speech. Local dialects, Brummie, Highland or Lowland Scottish, Welsh or Irish are all OK when used locally in everyday talk. But surely the written word should be as true as it is possible for each individual to make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Drovers Dog Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 Actually I was hoping that our Members from Ireland would get involved, and any Members from Scotland or Wales??Seeing as we are discussing the English Language!!!OK - having been through the trauma of leaving my native Scotland in my late 20s to live in that foreign land they call England with hubby and 2 boys - we went through the indignity of people saying 'eh?' or sometimes 'pardon?' when any of us spoke - oh yes - we came from civilised parts and were actually well educated and well spoken ! :D But that was all to do with the spoken word, not the written one.Drover's Dog - leave it mate!! :D :unsure: This little scottish terrier here has ended up having had more than a bellyful of such things in life since then. :rolleyes: The Scots are not an uncivilised provincial nation - we learn reading, writing and pronunciation of English - honestly!! So do the Irish and the Welsh and, I believe, the Australians!!Oooh - I feel a verse of 'Flower of Scotland' coming on :ph34r: :P Lassie, don't you worry about the old Dog, He is a Stewart!!!150 years ago my Rellies did the same!!!! Only they came to the Best kept Secret on the Planet!! We are all, really crazy, but lovable!!! :censored: :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Blink_182_fan Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 when i first joined i used text speak all the time but now northy has almost helped me change my ways :P :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest northamuk Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 Well done Blink !! We all appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter e Posted February 17, 2004 Report Share Posted February 17, 2004 Hurdy is right! The English language has developed and changed over many centuries. Any effort to halt this development (and there have been many) will end in failure. The whole point of a language is to communicate effectively. English does this extremely well and better than any other language - that is why it's the number one language in the World. Any changes which result in ineffective communication will be discarded - as they always have been. You need not fear; the English language will become stronger through diversity (and that includes text speak).peter e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest northamuk Posted February 18, 2004 Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 Whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellie2 Posted February 18, 2004 Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 when i first joined i used text speak all the time but now northy has almost helped me change my ways :PÂ :lol:I must admit it is a lot easier to read your posts now blink.I like the points you make too Peter e. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir T Fireball Posted February 18, 2004 Report Share Posted February 18, 2004 Spot on Peter e :P Our language is the bastardisation of all bastardisations. It has evolved and changed over the centuries, adopting French, German and Gaelic vocabulary to name but a few. I'll wager their were old farts fearing and bemoaning change way back then too :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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