Longhorn

[trackrat]

Microsoft is currently busy working on its latest flagship operating system codename Longhorn, but for those running 32Bit hardware you may be left out when the OS is finally released.

According to sources, Microsoft Windows Longhorn will only be available for 64Bit processors and not for 32Bit.

The purereason why MS would only compile a 64Bit and not swing both ways is rather unclear at the moment. We can only speculate that since Longhorn has a few years till its official unveiling, Microsoft thinks that by that time 64Bit will be the norm and 32Bit would have fazed out.

Source: SPDrivers.Net

[Cpt James T. Kirk]

well i guess that means in a few years then, all of us who dont have 64 bit will have to buy whole new systems just to keep up. thats a crock of bull. bad thing is after longhorns released then we'll only have so long then till bill (money) gates wont support xp any more just like whats happening with 95 support now. well i reckon if i do it, that i'll get a amd64 then. but that really sucks, having to buy a whole new system just to use longhorn. if it werent for the lack of game prgs i like id just get a mac. i'd get one of them and just blow gates off. but most of the prgs and games i want or like will only use windows. one other bad thing bout macs is most of the dealing with the mb and processor you HAVE to get it thru apple. you can still throw in any cd, hd, etc.. ya want but that mb and processor is where they nail ya with mac's. oh well, what we gonna do? gates can do whatever he wants i guess and if we wanna keep up with him i guess its either do it or dont.

[Zfactor]

It has always been know that Longhorn was the 64-bit Windows OS to look out for; I don't know anybody who said it would be either 64-bit or 32-bit. Quite frankly, Windows 95 is being phased out very late in its life (in respect to the explosion of technology) and if XP has as long a life as 95 did then most people will be quite content sticking to what works (XP) until they need a new computer. I personally get a new computer every 5 years or so.

I am in no hurry to go 64-bit for a multitude of reasons, not the least of which is the lack of software that truly harnesses its power & the fact that my system right now more than handles all of the latest software I use. I did some reading about 64-bit prior to buying this computer (just recently purchased it) and the general consensus was that 64-bit is great for workstations, but for home use it has no practical application except maybe bragging rights. That is probably one of the reasons Intel has thus far neglected to release a 64-bit home chip, and has stuck to their Itanium2 line for workstations. I am a die-hard windows user, and since the closest thing windows has to a 64-bit OS is the (I think beta) XP-64 I dont see a 64-bit purchase anywhere in the near future for me. I have reservations about using beta, especially if it is windows beta :o (flashbulb memories to the atrocity of Windows 95).

Anyway that is just my opinion on the whole thing.

[homecomputeraid]

I believe Microsoft puts out some wierd hype to see what public furor will arise from it, and to indicate to the public what direction they eventually want to go in. I can't believe they'll make it a straight 64 bit OS unless they want to keep it specific to applications like DataCenters, but who knows?

[Cpt James T. Kirk]

guess we'll jus have to wait and see what happens then. :rolleyes:

[Chris]

Well AMD I would say have had success with the 64 bit range of processors. Whilst there isn't a Windows 64 bit OS for the home user [yet and still in beta] and as far as I know 64 bit software. AMD seem to have hit a market where there wasn't really a market, so they've done something right.

I'm sure by '06/07 Intel will have at least released a 64 Bit processor [well apart from Itanium] so it should spice up the market or maybe they'll concentrate on dual core ones :o [which i've read will be a requirement on Longhorn].

So a 64 bit Longhorn hmmm, 64 Bit yes! ...and probably support for things 32bit. Microsoft would be disregarding a large percentage of their market by not taking into account the vast majortiy of 32 bit customers at this moment. It will change by 06/07 but not enough to forget us 32 bitters IMO.

well i guess that means in a few years then, all of us who dont have 64 bit will have to buy whole new systems just to keep up.

No. To keep up to what, the next best OS from Microsoft? Your family, friend the dog?

You don't have to upgrage for the lastest and greatest. Mant people still use Windows 98 as it suits the user. It does everything they want...

...Microsoft will not be holding a gun to your head.......you have a choice.

thats a crock of bull. bad thing is after longhorns released then we'll only have so long then till bill (money) gates wont support xp any more just like whats happening with 95 support now.

95 is nearly 10 years old and if you want to make any progress in anything you have to develop, research new technologies etc. Whilst support from MS maybe disappearing there a million websites out there with solutions to Windows 95 Problems...not forgetting MSKB.

I'm sure the percentage of users on Windows 95 have declined over the years.

well i reckon if i do it, that i'll get a amd64 then. but that really sucks, having to buy a whole new system just to use longhorn.

Wait, who said you have to buy a new system. Whilst a new system in 2006/2007 would give you the lastest technology compared to now and would run Longhorn to it's greatest and best. You don't have to use Longhorn, I'll bet alot of users will still continue to use Windows XP once Longhorn has a final name and is sitting on the shelves. Longhorn technologies are reported to being available on Windows XP based systems, WinFX, Avalon. So if anything Micorsoft are trying to improve Windows XP.

if it werent for the lack of game prgs i like id just get a mac.

Get both?

oh well, what we gonna do? gates can do whatever he wants i guess and if we wanna keep up with him i guess its either do it or dont.

You don't have to do anything and this is my point.

I believe Microsoft puts out some wierd hype to see what public furor will arise from it, and to indicate to the public what direction they eventually want to go in.  I can't believe they'll make it a straight 64 bit OS unless they want to keep it specific to applications like DataCenters, but who knows?

I think Blackcomb is where we will see a truely 64bit OS.

[andsome]

XP happily runs EVERY program that I want or need. I don't intend buying another computer merely TO KEEP UP. It's a bit like throwing a good shirt away because it isn't considered fashionable. There is always someone after your money, telling you that you are out of date. Just look at all the daft TV programs on this theme.

[Besty]

Whats Blackcomb powerless? Some people already have a64 bit comp so not everyone will have to upgrade. The only reason i use xp is because its pretty :) and bragging rights are the best :P

[trackrat]

Windows Blackcomb is the code name for an upcoming version of Microsoft Windows, announced in February 2000. It is due sometime between 2010 - 2012, following the predicted release of Windows Longhorn in 2006. It will have both a version for the client, or average user, and servers.

At the time of Windows XP's (NT 5.1) official release, Blackcomb was to be its successor. However, its introduction was pushed back several years after announcement of an interim version called Windows Longhorn.

Blackcomb is likely to include any new features Microsoft cannot release with Windows Longhorn

[Besty]

Sweet

[Bluecow]

XP happily runs EVERY program that I want or need.  I don't intend buying another computer merely TO KEEP UP.  It's a bit like throwing a good shirt away because it isn't considered fashionable.  There is always someone after your money, telling you that you are out of date.  Just look at all the daft TV programs on this theme.

never a true word spoken there's not exactly a lot wrong with XP so why upgrade because it's newer? There's no real reason at present or in the near future.

[Tankus]

XP does it for me too

there could be some licence compliance spy ware issues with Long horn ..which feel a bit big bro ..!

[andsome]

Let's send an e-mail to Bill telling him to stuff it

[Cpt James T. Kirk]

well i guess that means in a few years then, all of us who dont have 64 bit will have to buy whole new systems just to keep up.

No. To keep up to what, the next best OS from Microsoft? Your family, friend the dog?

i meant keep up with the systems. ya know, say like some big bad video game comes out and you have to upgrade stuff to be able to play it, ie,..doom3

and it requires bigger this and that stuff.

. we'll only have so long then till bill (money) gates wont support xp any more just like whats happening with 95 support now.

and yes, you will have to upgrade the os , eventually, granted maybe not for 10 to 15 years, stretching a bit there. but on the same token then by that time youll more than likely have to have a new system anyways. so then ya get one, and its got the latest os and all that. which is basically, the same thing as i was just trying to say. youve upgraded whether you like it or not.

Wait, who said you have to buy a new system. Whilst a new system in 2006/2007 would give you the lastest technology compared to now and would run Longhorn to it's greatest and best. You don't have to use Longhorn, I'll bet alot of users will still continue to use Windows XP once Longhorn has a final name and is sitting on the shelves. Longhorn technologies are reported to being available on Windows XP based systems, WinFX, Avalon. So if anything Micorsoft are trying to improve Windows XP.

yeah, i agree, they are trying to get xp working better. thats not the point. and like you said if i had to get another computer in 2006/2007 it would have longhorn on it. and the deal we were talking about the 64 bit thing would be on there, (maybe, maybe not), how tough would it be for a guy to get a xp copy, unless you saved the one you have, and if they would activate it. and if it was setup with 64 bit, lets say, then i wouldnt be able to even use my copy of xp anyways.

if it werent for the lack of game prgs i like id just get a mac.

Get both?

why? macs dont have enough games for me to wanna justify paying out money for nothing more than a paperweight. for what i use them for. i do a little of this and that with them. do researching of stuff, online things, and play games too.

theres just not that much out there for macs in the gaming regard.

oh well, what we gonna do? gates can do whatever he wants i guess and if we wanna keep up with him i guess its either do it or dont.

You don't have to do anything and this is my point.

and yes you do eventually, unless you dont mind when gates cuts the support for xp someday

I believe Microsoft puts out some wierd hype to see what public furor will arise from it, and to indicate to the public what direction they eventually want to go in.  I can't believe they'll make it a straight 64 bit OS unless they want to keep it specific to applications like DataCenters, but who knows?

i tend to go along more with what homecomputeraid says, and hope thats its just a hype thing.

[Scarecrow Man]

If I had a choice.. (and it ran games) I'd go back to DOS 6.2

[Zfactor]

If I had a choice.. (and it ran games) I'd go back to DOS 6.2

Truer words were never spoken

(although I may agree with this for a different reason)

[scuzzman]

XP does it for me too

there  could be some licence compliance spy ware issues with Long horn ..which feel a bit big bro ..!

Hmm... what's this sound like? http://www.againsttcpa.com/what-is-tcpa.html

[Chris]

i meant keep up with the systems. ya know, say like some big bad video game comes out and you have to upgrade stuff to be able to play it, ie,..doom3

and it requires bigger this and that stuff.

That's not Microsoft only, there are many software developers out there who all update their software, for the better [?]. Needing the latest hardware, is the downside as it costs [not always] more than the software. But if they didn't develop newer and better things we'd be stuck back in 80's. As you've mentioned games, having a PC certainly requires you to have the latest and greatest hardware to play the hungy games. Not all games require the lastest and greatest of course.

Not just PC's but PS2 and Xbox, there are newer versions of these coming out as games are evolving :o

If you understand or at least try to understand the technologhy behind windows, games, hardware, you'll see ;)

[Cpt James T. Kirk]

No. To keep up to what, the next best OS from Microsoft? Your family, friend the dog?

You don't have to upgrage for the lastest and greatest. Mant people still use Windows 98 as it suits the user. It does everything they want...

...Microsoft will not be holding a gun to your head.......you have a choice.

95 is nearly 10 years old and if you want to make any progress in anything you have to develop, research new technologies etc. Whilst support from MS maybe disappearing there a million websites out there with solutions to Windows 95 Problems...not forgetting MSKB.

I'm sure the percentage of users on Windows 95 have declined over the years.

Wait, who said you have to buy a new system. Whilst a new system in 2006/2007 would give you the lastest technology compared to now and would run Longhorn to it's greatest and best. You don't have to use Longhorn, I'll bet alot of users will still continue to use Windows XP once Longhorn has a final name and is sitting on the shelves. Longhorn technologies are reported to being available on Windows XP based systems, WinFX, Avalon. So if anything Micorsoft are trying to improve Windows XP.

oh well, what we gonna do? gates can do whatever he wants i guess and if we wanna keep up with him i guess its either do it or dont.

You don't have to do anything and this is my point.

I believe Microsoft puts out some wierd hype to see what public furor will arise from it, and to indicate to the public what direction they eventually want to go in.  I can't believe they'll make it a straight 64 bit OS unless they want to keep it specific to applications like DataCenters, but who knows?

as i said, i hope homecomputeraid is right and all the brewhaha is just hype.

[homecomputeraid]

Here's an article (a bit dated) about it. It's from May, 2004, but it does seem to quote directly from Microsoft instead of being based on rumor control:

http://www.computerweekly.com/articles/Article130361.htm

According to this article, Microsoft does plan to support legacy systems, and make it easier to migrate to 64-bit in the future.

[Cpt James T. Kirk]

after reading that it sounds like theyre gonna make extensions for the 32 bit systems to run 64 bit.

is this right or am i reading that wrong.

[shujaataptech]

any one can tell me about developemnt in longhorn with winfx sdk.i have seen some demos from longhorn using winfx/avalon/xaml. person developed a xaml application in windows2003 but on windowsxp it dsoesnt look properly,

[Chris]

I've seen a guy showing you Avalon but that's all.

[oceans11]

I built my system from scratch a year ago. Tried to make it as "updatable" as possible. Critical parts are: Intel D865GBF mobo w/ P4 2.8 GHz H/T. Would I ever be able to make this system 64bit?

[Cpt James T. Kirk]

well mines a intel d865 perl mb with a 2.6 ghz cpu running 1 gig of memory.

but i think you'll have to get a mb that supports 64 bit for you to run longhorn 64.

im not sure about the rest of the components though. it would be nice if thats all i would have to get was just another mb thats 64 bit. and all my other stuff in there would just plug on it. of course i would probably have to switch over to a pci express graphics and dump my agp slot since there might not even be one on the mb.

is any of this close to right?