-pops- Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 Microsoft have been ordered to produce Windows without the Media PlayerFull story here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 Whatever we may think of Gates, why should he help his rivals? I prefer Windows to Mac, and am happy with WMP. Why should I be forced to buy a player from a rival? Why do so many people hate success? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Besty Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 If I was bill they would be told were they could shove that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvw Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 Microsoft will sell 2 versions of XP, one with Media Player and one without Media Player.Both versions will cost exactly the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-pops- Posted December 22, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 My view is that although I think Microsoft operating systems would be better without all of these half hearted, half working add-ons, the fact is that they are there.The foolish political mandarins in the hallowed halls of Strasbourg ought to think very carefully before making the outrageous demands such as they are doing at the moment. By their own admission, Microsoft has an almost monopolist hold on computer operating systems worldwide. It would only take the loss of goodwill on the part of Gates to be able to reduce all of the European (or anywhere else) computers into utter chaos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 I've just gone back WMP after ditching Winamp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankus Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 don't mind WMP ... except for the licensing thingy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 I like WMP and see no problem in licencing it. All software makers ask you to licence their product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuzzman Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 I like WMP and see no problem in licencing it. All software makers ask you to licence their product.Don't use much open-source software do you?I've never registered anyhting on my computer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 I only use what I think I need and have no problem in registering if requested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuzzman Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 I only use what I think I need and have no problem in registering if requested.LOL - I have a really bad problem of having WAY more software then I need :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-pops- Posted December 23, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 LOL - I have a really bad problem of having WAY more software then I need :DI'm all for Keep it Lean. Keep it Keen.I never install anything that is not useful and necessary for what I require on that particular machine. If it happens that I no longer require a particular piece of software, out it comes. A computer stuffed with junk in the form of never used programs and files will tend to be slow and certainly not perform at its best. Don't you find this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarecrow Man Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 Whatever we may think of Gates, why should he help his rivals? I prefer Windows to Mac, and am happy with WMP. Why should I be forced to buy a player from a rival? Why do so many people hate success?Monopoly. I'm sure you know what I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarecrow Man Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 LOL - I have a really bad problem of having WAY more software then I need :DI'm all for Keep it Lean. Keep it Keen.I never install anything that is not useful and necessary for what I require on that particular machine. If it happens that I no longer require a particular piece of software, out it comes. A computer stuffed with junk in the form of never used programs and files will tend to be slow and certainly not perform at its best. Don't you find this?ABSOLUTELY!The more files you have on a hard drive, the longer it takes to find a certain one.EX: you have 1,000,000 files. You need 100 of them. You will have to search all 1,000,000 and pick out the 100 and put them into RAM. Now if you only have 1,000 files and you need 100 it would take a heck of a lot less time wouldn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 Whatever we may think of Gates, why should he help his rivals? I prefer Windows to Mac, and am happy with WMP. Why should I be forced to buy a player from a rival? Why do so many people hate success?Monopoly. I'm sure you know what I mean.I know exactly what you mean. However, HE developed Windows, and also WMP, so as far as I'm concerned he has EVERY right to sell the products. No one stopped other companies from developing and selling their products did they? Just because the majority of the people in the world chose Windows rather than Mac, does not mean he should then be forced to hand over bits and pieces to rivals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuzzman Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 Whatever we may think of Gates, why should he help his rivals? I prefer Windows to Mac, and am happy with WMP. Why should I be forced to buy a player from a rival? Why do so many people hate success?Monopoly. I'm sure you know what I mean.I know exactly what you mean. However, HE developed Windows, and also WMP, so as far as I'm concerned he has EVERY right to sell the products. No one stopped other companies from developing and selling their products did they? Just because the majority of the people in the world chose Windows rather than Mac, does not mean he should then be forced to hand over bits and pieces to rivals.HE developed the first version(s) of Windows. Now, Win and WMP are developed by a team of developers, over whom he probably has little/no say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 So be it. I have not delved this deeply. All that I know is that along with millions of other people I am happy to buy a complete system, and no one has the right to stop me. I have quite a few programs on my computer that have been supplied by smaller company's, and as I stated see no problem in registering these products if requested. Thankfully we still live in what is a reasonably democratic state, despite the actions of Cheesy Blair and the mandarins in Europe. Other people can feel free to use whatever programs and systems they want, but I am happy as I am, along with millions of others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarecrow Man Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 So be it. I have not delved this deeply. All that I know is that along with millions of other people I am happy to buy a complete system, and no one has the right to stop me. I have quite a few programs on my computer that have been supplied by smaller company's, and as I stated see no problem in registering these products if requested. Thankfully we still live in what is a reasonably democratic state, despite the actions of Cheesy Blair and the mandarins in Europe. Other people can feel free to use whatever programs and systems they want, but I am happy as I am, along with millions of others.Very true andsome. This is how a lot of people get thier computers. Complete bundled packages mostly with windows already installed (OEM) and usually 1-3 years of technical support. How can you go wrong?Unless you know what your doing and want to save about 50% of what you would pay for a complete system, and make it yourself. B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 I would more than likely blow myself and all the bits and pieces up. I use the friendly neighbourhood shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarecrow Man Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 I would more than likely blow myself and all the bits and pieces up. I use the friendly neighbourhood shop.Your neighbours thank you.. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted December 27, 2004 Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 Unless you know what your doing and want to save about 50% of what you would pay for a complete system, and make it yourself. B)Hi you would be very hard pushed to build a system for 50% less that you can buy one for.I have given up building PC's to try and make a profit out of it. yes i can almost all the time beat the price of a sold complete system, but it is too much work trying to source all the parts cheaply enough for you too make any money on.It might be different in Canada, where you live i don't know.I do still build systems for people, but these tend to be the slower stuff now, when people just need an office system or just for email/Internet, i mean they don't need 128mb Graphics card and a 3 GHZ CPU.OK if i were looking for a new system i would build it my self, but only cos i would put exactly what i want in it, but i can't see that happening as i upgrade the one i have when i need to.All the bestTony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuzzman Posted December 27, 2004 Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 LOL - I have a really bad problem of having WAY more software then I need :DI'm all for Keep it Lean. Keep it Keen.I never install anything that is not useful and necessary for what I require on that particular machine. If it happens that I no longer require a particular piece of software, out it comes. A computer stuffed with junk in the form of never used programs and files will tend to be slow and certainly not perform at its best. Don't you find this?Well - one also has to keep in mind, my computer has 3 operating systems :)(WinXP, Slackware, Mandrake)And, yes, while it may take it longer to find ceratin applications, all the apps I use are constantly running, so I don't really notice...I do a lot of beta testing and debugging... most of my systems software is still in the Beta/Unstable stage of development, so it really doesn't bug me to have a ton of software installed.This is all also aside from the fact that my entire Slackware system (including the operating system kernel itself) is compiled from source code, and thus custom-fit to my specs and my architecture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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