andsome Posted February 26, 2004 Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 Claire Short has accused British Intelligence of spying on Koffi Annan at the UN. Is there no limit to the depths to which this government will sink? Just heard it on TV news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
expertec Posted February 26, 2004 Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3488548.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-pops- Posted February 26, 2004 Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 Why am I not surprised?The word "intelligence" does not fit well alongside any of: British, Secret Service, Military, Government, MI5, MI6, FBI, CIA, Gestapo, Stazi, or other of the euphemisms given to the secret spying organisations around the world, irrespective of their location or political view.It is only a short step from what we have now to the extreme paranoia of Romania under Nicolae Ceausescu. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted February 26, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 Why am I not surprised?The word "intelligence" does not fit well alongside any of: British, Secret Service, Military, Government, MI5, MI6, FBI, CIA, Gestapo, Stazi, or other of the euphemisms given to the secret spying organisations around the world, irrespective of their location or political view.It is only a short step from what we have now to the extreme paranoia of Romania under Nicolae Ceausescu. :(One again very wise words from a fellow old fogey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-pops- Posted February 26, 2004 Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankus Posted February 26, 2004 Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 It partly explains over why the case collapsed against the Cheltenham whistle blower ......It may be that Goldsmiths advice to the government may have been that there may be doubts over the legality of the war... Its unravelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted February 26, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 Did you see the news tonight? Cheesy said he would make no comment, but don't take that as an admission of guilt, what Clair short said was irresponsible. ????????????????????? I ask you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvw Posted February 26, 2004 Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 http://mindscraps.com/s/contrib/edoom/spacecraft.gifandsome....your bottom is broke and slowing up our pages loading. (on my machine anyway). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter e Posted February 26, 2004 Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 I'm no supporter of Blair (or any other politician) but let's wait for evidence - don't think it's wise to take the word of Clare Short without supporting evidence. She suddenly drops this out in a radio interview having known about it for ages - there's some sort of political game going on here. She and Cook have got it in for Blair. It'll all come out in the wash. :) Anyway, spies spy on everyone - it's accepted. We spy on our friends as well as our enemies - as does everyone else. It's no big deal. B) peter e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger Posted February 26, 2004 Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 Why am I not surprised?The word "intelligence" does not fit well alongside any of: British, Secret Service, Military, Government, MI5, MI6, FBI, CIA, Gestapo, Stazi, or other of the euphemisms given to the secret spying organisations around the world, irrespective of their location or political view.It is only a short step from what we have now to the extreme paranoia of Romania under Nicolae Ceausescu. :(pops, without being disrespectful, tell that to the armed forces personell (and civilians) who's lifes have been saved over the years through intelligience received and passed on by these people, sure they have got it wrong at times, but they have got it right a lot of the times as well, but, as is the way of the world, a bigger hullaballoo is made when they get things wrong, or someone thinks they have overstepped the mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-pops- Posted February 27, 2004 Report Share Posted February 27, 2004 Ranger, as a life long pacificist and respecter of the human race I have NEVER understood the desire of so many members of it to kill each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger Posted February 27, 2004 Report Share Posted February 27, 2004 Pops, I have to agree with you, people shouldn't be killing one another, but unfortunately it's a big bad world out there with all sorts of loonies, madmen and fanatics who would kill you and family without a second thought no matter your beliefs, for this reason alone we need strong intelligience and security forces. I'm not saying that MI5 etc. should be given a free reign, but we have to understand these people will look into things that we may not be comfortable with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon Posted February 27, 2004 Report Share Posted February 27, 2004 Whether surveillance is of use to our respective countries or not we have a moral duty, to our children if not ourselves, to stamp on the 'surveillance culture' whenever it rears its head. The Tories appear to have passed over an opportunity to roast Blair. That implies that they are aware of such spying and are party to it when in power.Any intelligence agency which reports back to a cabinet with Clare Short in it needs their heads read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankus Posted February 27, 2004 Report Share Posted February 27, 2004 Its a democracy ...they got put there by us ....how stupid is that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djohn Posted February 27, 2004 Report Share Posted February 27, 2004 As I'm sure most of you will know, there is no need to manually "Bug" telephones to eavesdrop on conversation. Anyone using a Mobile or cordless phone is leaving themselves open to being listened on. :( I do think that some of us will be surprised to know that anyone can buy a simple scanner from £10.00 up-wards and listen to our neighbours phone conversations and it may surprise you to know just how many people do this. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted February 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2004 I do think that some of us will be surprised to know that anyone can buy a simple scanner from £10.00 up-wards and listen to our neighbours phone conversations and it may surprise you to know just how many people do this. :(Nosy buggers. Did you get the pun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-pops- Posted February 28, 2004 Report Share Posted February 28, 2004 I do think that some of us will be surprised to know that anyone can buy a simple scanner from £10.00 up-wards and listen to our neighbours phone conversations and it may surprise you to know just how many people do this. :(A "basic model" bugging device needn't even cost that.A glass at the wall has been used for eons to listen in to conversations. Some time ago a "friend" asked me to ask my medico son if he could beg/borrow/steal a stethoscope for her. Deep questioning revealed that she wanted to listen in to what her next door neighbour was arguing with her husband about on Thursday and Friday nights after the pub :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted February 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2004 I do think that some of us will be surprised to know that anyone can buy a simple scanner from £10.00 up-wards and listen to our neighbours phone conversations and it may surprise you to know just how many people do this. :(A "basic model" bugging device needn't even cost that.A glass at the wall has been used for eons to listen in to conversations. Some time ago a "friend" asked me to ask my medico son if he could beg/borrow/steal a stethoscope for her. Deep questioning revealed that she wanted to listen in to what her next door neighbour was arguing with her husband about on Thursday and Friday nights after the pub :blink: We could have done with one of those some years ago, before the unpleasant character next door popped off. He used to bawl and shout some extremely unpleasant things to the poor woman, but we couldn't quite hear everything, and probably missed a few choice expressions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon Posted February 28, 2004 Report Share Posted February 28, 2004 Who delivers the goods irrespective of party politics ? The BeebWho suffered as a result of the Hutton whitewash ? The BeebWhose charter is coming up for review ? The BeebDefend your Beeb.Get ya beebs out. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shirley_Crabtree Posted February 29, 2004 Report Share Posted February 29, 2004 Contrary to popular belief...Spys don't spend all day drinking cocktails,shagging beautiful women and driving Aston Martin cars...They get the low-down info on people in power...they snoop,they spy...they gather information about people in power.All for OUR own good.GAh!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted February 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2004 Contrary to popular belief...Spys don't spend all day drinking cocktails,shagging beautiful women and driving Aston Martin cars...I wanted to be a spy until I found out these facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankus Posted February 29, 2004 Report Share Posted February 29, 2004 they also get jailed for very long periods . or shot . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted February 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2004 They also get jailed for very long periods , or shot .I would be too clever to get caught Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankus Posted February 29, 2004 Report Share Posted February 29, 2004 THE former cabinet minister Clare Short vowed to topple Tony Blair if she was forced to quit the government, according to a close friend and colleague.The maverick MP told George Foulkes, her former deputy at the Department for International Development: "If I go, I am going to bring Tony Blair down with me."the TimesNo surprise is itWrangling over the legality of the war will continue this week when Michael Mansfield, QC, asks the International Criminal Court in the Hague to investigate allegations that Blair is guilty of war crimes. The petition will also name Jack Straw, the foreign secretary, and Geoff Hoon, the defence secretaryhmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted March 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2004 I just wish someone would bring him and his cronies down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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