catgate Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 There has been a lot of talk in the media about Mr Darlings darling scam. Quite obviously it was something that was hidden up someone's sleeve during the preparation of the party manifesto, and now is the time to start the ball rolling to create the effect required. Quite obviously if it is simply what it purports to be then it will follow all the other "high tech." failures, upon which this government has squandered millions upon millions of pounds of our money.However, a couple of years ago, a friend of mine who is a serious radio amateur , with some sort of official responsibility for checking official and unofficial use of the airwaves, in his portion of GB, told me of a scheme going under the name of Tetra, which was being rolled out across the UK. He was drawn into consultations on the scheme because of the potential impact by, and on, the radio ams.Although there was confirmation that this was to be used bythe "Emergency Services" this was as far as specific usage was described. The scheme is quite widely known about, but its purpose is still open to question, for a variety of reasons. The adequacy of current comms. seems to be pretty effective.Enter black boxes, spies in the sky, the ever increasing "police state" , and the ever burgeoning greed for money of our current Westminster troughers, and it all begins to fall into place.http://www.tetrawatch.net/main/index.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarecrow Man Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 What exactly is this? Looks like a form of communication, but many health risks?If you ask me, it's money that could be better spent elsewhere whatever this is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurdy Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 I wholeheartedly agree catgate.The aim of those in power is total control.I also believe there is collusion between the political parties to attain that control.I.E. There is no democracy anymore.As the Sergeant in Dad's Army used to say 'We are doomed'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankus Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Identity cards black boxes in cars that will not just be used for road charging ...but could also be used for speed,location,and history of movement ...this coupled will cell phone information , credit card use ,street/road cams some are now being trailed with not just numberplate recognition , but also facial recognition .God nows how many data bases , over shopping habit , clubs joined etcIts all sneaking up on us ...and our little space of our own personal freedom is rapidly shrinking Orwell did'nt see the half of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 I sometimes think of Animal Farm where all the animals are equal, but some are more equal than others. "Two Jag" John Prescot then springs to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catgate Posted June 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 The question seems to me to be "What can be done about it?" I think the impetus for change is going to have to come from we BOFs because we have seen the changes happening slowly but surely, and have memories long enough to know a time when all of it was unnecessary under a better* government, whereas younger people accept it either as necessary, because the government say so, or just one of those things that happens that we will get used to. (We see repeating patterns, they do not yet recognise these patterns.)I thought at one time there was an organisation started by a group of BOFs but it seemed to be highjacked by a load of deposed old left wing union mandarins and it just disappeared from view. Perhaps we should reorganise just such a thing. * Yes I'm sure I remember one!!!..not "good" but better than they have become over the last 25 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyWhirly Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 There has been a lot of talk in the media about Mr Darlings darling scam. Quite obviously it was something that was hidden up someone's sleeve during the preparation of the party manifesto, and now is the time to start the ball rolling to create the effect required.I agree. Also we can do nothing for the next 5 years until the next General Election :angry: This country is becoming more like a nanny state by the day.It is bad enough that the motorist pays one of the highest fuel tax rates in Europe (or possibly even the world) without the Government introducing these black boxes which will also increase the price of cars as someone has to foot the bill to have them fitted! One thing that may happen is that people will try to disable them but whether this will be possible will depend on how easy the black box is to access and also whether they are supposedly 'tamper proof'? I don't have a car as my only form of transport is a motorbike but I wonder whether in time the Government will also extend the scheme to cover bikes? I doubt it as they don't take up so much room on the road but only time will tell! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarecrow Man Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Was it not a greek philosopher (plato?) who said by the year 2000 we will have lost our name and be given a number.....Perhaps we are fufilling this prophecy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyWhirly Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Was it not a greek philosopher (plato?) who said by the year 2000 we will have lost our name and be given a number.....Perhaps we are fufilling this prophecy.Very true. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 All very scary. Despite having had to endure a world war and all the depredations of rationing that followed, I am glad that I am my present age, and have had 69 good years. I feel so sorry for my grandchildren, with the state of the country and the world in general. I just would NOT want to be at the start of my life now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-pops- Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 It is very worrying that in an age that ridded of despots like Nicholae Ceausescu in Romania, almost the same restrictions are being introduced into our lives by a so-called democratic government. What is more worrying is that the governemt in question is freshly elected and has a leader who told us that he was listening to the electorate.I imagine that by the end of its five year term, this UK regime will have the whole population spying on each other for no better reason than to fill up the available space in the all the new electronic memory banks that can, and are, being generated.Like andsome, I am glad I am of an age and state of health where I will not be "enjoying" this Utopian nightmare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 I cannot understand how the electorate were so gullible. The man is a patent liar, and yet he got re-elected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catgate Posted June 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Like andsome, I am glad I am of an age and state of health where I will not be "enjoying" this Utopian nightmare.There are a large numbers of us in the same state of mind, and it is precisely our section of the community who have seen it all grow and should be doing something about it.I cannot understand how the electorate were so gullible. The man is a patent liar, and yet he got re-elected.It is because the bulk of the electorate has not yet had sufficient experience (but not in their own estimation) to have witnessed the patterns. Why do you think Big Brother wants to lower the voting age? Another facet of the TETRA business is the matter of the frequencies used. Some of them are right there in the same range as the Alpha waves in the human brain. A member of the family (a brain surgeon) concurs with the notion that this set up, of country wide, interlinked, powerful, microwave transmitters could be used to "calm/tranquilise" minds on a Grand scale. Now it begins to look formidable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rong Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 I cannot understand how the electorate were so gullible. The man is a patent liar, and yet he got re-elected.So who would be better? as none of the other parties would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadyassa Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Identity cards black boxes in cars that will not just be used for road charging ...but could also be used for speed,location,and history of movement ...this coupled will cell phone information , credit card use ,street/road cams some are now being trailed with not just numberplate recognition , but also facial recognition .God nows how many data bases , over shopping habit , clubs joined etcIts all sneaking up on us ...and our little space of our own personal freedom is rapidly shrinking Orwell did'nt see the half of itI´ll be alright when I come over in me Spanish reg car then ;) ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catgate Posted June 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 The silliest thing about the pretence that the charge is to reduce congestion is that the people being affected by road congestion are road users. If they seriously wanted to avoid congestion they could find ways to avoid it. Like not taking up employment that involved them having to tangle with it (either in public or private transport). This would then leave employers having to move to less congested areas, thus releaving congestion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 It's no good them trying to force me onto public transport round where I live. It would probably take me a couple of hours each way just to get a game of indoor bowls twelve miles away in the winter. I would need to wait for several changes of buses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyWhirly Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Same here andsome. When I am on my morning shift which starts at 6am, the earliest bus I can catch is 6.30am to get into work around 6.55am meaning that I would be nearly an hour late for work every day :huh: Public services are not for everyone and the Government should realise this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4may Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 Like andsome, I am glad I am of an age and state of health where I will not be "enjoying" this Utopian nightmare.Me too.If it comes to it I intend to Rebel and NOT fit a black Box or get an ID card at my own expense and so act the same way as those who don't Tax or insure the cars.(Which I always do at present ) The Local Public transport where I live is None existant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-pops- Posted June 14, 2005 Report Share Posted June 14, 2005 On the subject of ID cards (sorry for the digression) I likewise have no intention of ever having one. I know who I am and, if necessary, I have a passport to remind me. I also have a medical card so that I can always go to my GP and ask him who I am. (In that case, though, I think other services he might offer would be more urgently required.) I am not intending to spend any further sums so that the "authorities" can keep a closer watch on me. I cannot be prosecuted for not having an ID card because without one of these things, they will have no proof of my identity. If, by chance, they say that is a nonsense then, ergo, the whole premise of ID cards is a nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarecrow Man Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 On the subject of ID cards (sorry for the digression) I likewise have no intention of ever having one. I know who I am and, if necessary, I have a passport to remind me. I also have a medical card so that I can always go to my GP and ask him who I am. (In that case, though, I think other services he might offer would be more urgently required.) I am not intending to spend any further sums so that the "authorities" can keep a closer watch on me. I cannot be prosecuted for not having an ID card because without one of these things, they will have no proof of my identity. If, by chance, they say that is a nonsense then, ergo, the whole premise of ID cards is a nonsense.Don't worry. In 50 years we will have circuts implanted into our brains to tell us who we are. Freedom will be a long lost relic, and it will be "bliss" ....... :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-pops- Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 Don't worry. In 50 years we will have circuts implanted into our brains to tell us who we are. Freedom will be a long lost relic, and it will be "bliss" ....... :blink:I can absolutely guarantee that I won't be around in 50 years to experience that pleasure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andsome Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Here is the latest scam. The powers that be don't want us to use cars. They also don't want us to use buses in many areas, because the service is almost non existent. Now they don't want us to use trains either. Everyone should stay at home and live off the state. How on earth can people travel to work, if they are driven off the roads, off the buses, and now off the trains?Railway congestion charges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catgate Posted June 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 "Don't use this...don't use that." Next thing there will be a banned wagon! :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-pops- Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 The rail congestion charge already exists - only it isn't called that, it's called the Full Fare and the lower charge for off-peak travel is called, would you believe, the Off Peak Fare.What genius has the rail authority employed to come up with this latest daft idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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