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Where are the Labour supporters? I'm surprised that none of you have drawn attention to

THIS.

Why would anyone expect anything else :unsure: it can't be true though as you want them to run the country and they're not as bad as the present lot even though they take bigger bribes.

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Where are the Labour supporters? I'm surprised that none of you have drawn attention to

THIS.

Why would anyone expect anything else :unsure: it can't be true though as you want them to run the country and they're not as bad as the present lot even though they take bigger bribes.

Almost anything is worth a try after this lot, as long as the Tories do not now prove to bad as bad as Labour. So far, this is the only bad case on that side to rear its ugly head. No matter which side this kind of thing occurs on, it is inexcusable. I am just surprised at how little support there appears to be on the forum for El Gordo, and have waited until now to start this thread, as I fully expected the odd one or two Labour supporters who might be about, to post this item with a certain amount of glee. :lol:

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Where are the Labour supporters? I'm surprised that none of you have drawn attention to

THIS.

They are all reading this :-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtm...cnhightax11.xml

I can't imagine the Tories being more corrupt and as incompetent as this Labour government :censored:

The ever harsher verdict on Britain comes as Mr Brown's tax and spend policies begin to reshape the basic structure of the UK plc, transforming it from one of Europe's leanest fiscal states to one of the most bloated.

About the only thing this government is good at is taxing us to the hilt.

Also the one thing that Labour has been renown for is a strong and well managed economy but I feel that this is to come to an end with a recession just round the corner :(

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I have decided to become a virtual El Gordo supporter to assist with your frustration andsome. It must be awful for you to regularly go bear baiting and find that they all just hide in the bushes.

I think Prime Minister Brown - as he should be called - is doing a splendid job of cleaning up after Mr Blair (who is now doomed to a life of travel and dinner speech after dinner speech for a paultry £1 million a month - taxable). Note that The P.M has been willing to announce that Hain is incompetent and is happy to leave him to a fate decided by others. You have to admire such patience, tolerance and wisdom - qualities lacking in Blair who would have leaped to Hains defence and lit the smokescreen.

I am also pleased to see that the PM (ably supported by Darling) - has handled the Northern Rock debacle with great prudence - so much so, the Society can now be nationalised for a pittance. It will only cost us taxpayers a meagre £55 billion for starters and the huge future profits typical of banks and building societies will flow into the government coffers - rather than greedy private investors.

The man may appear to be a dull, lifeless, boring and indecisive plodder - but behind that carefully crafted facade lies an astute canny leader that must be the envy of the Tories.

You can't show me anyone on the Tory benches who comes close to his qualities....... :rolleyes:

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It can be nothing other than corrupt.

Just look at history and how members of The Commons, the lower house, developed from the Peers/Lords, the upper house.

The Lords were there due to their status, which was granted by the monarch for "favours received", which, other than going and killing a few dragons, serfs or Johnny Foreigners might have been lending a daughter or a wife for "bedchamber favours". However it was more likely to be for slipping the King a few quid to get him out of debt (a common thing with those with pretentions to the high life)

The lower house were nor peers of the realm but were lords of the manor and local squires who gained their position not by election but, similarly, by favours. A practice just as old as Parliament itself.

It has always been "corrupt", in just the manner we are now seeing. We have been "conditioned" to see the correct way as a "fair fight at the polls and may the best man win" dontcherknow, but the reality has never changed from power in exchange for favours received. The would- be receiver of favours ensures his man gets the power, either by subterfuge or donations to the cause, or in many cases both, and then just wait for the repayment.

This is not peculiar to the UK, it is world wide. It is just that we have been at it longer than most and have had more practice (and practice does not, it would seem, make perfect!).

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It has always been "corrupt", in just the manner we are now seeing.

I'm wondering why all this corruption is coming out now when we saw very little of it before apart from the occasional incident like 'cash for honours' for example.

Also it seems strange that all this incompetence is coming out now like all the data disks going missing within a few days of each other in some cases :huh:

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It has always been "corrupt", in just the manner we are now seeing.

I'm wondering why all this corruption is coming out now when we saw very little of it before apart from the occasional incident like 'cash for honours' for example.

I reckon it is because of the gradual but relentless increasing of the feeling in all politicians that they "have the right" to do pretty much what they want, and stuff the public. It is as though they see themselves as masters not servants. (which is just what the original Commoners were). This is right through the government system both national and local.

If you look back to the days of Profumo, a little bit of "leg over" on the side was enough to bring down a government and the Jeremy Thorpe "liberalism" was even worse. It certainly went on then but was well hidden and the public could be kept in the dark more easily (there was no internet) The publishing barons could cover things up more easily than they can today. These days Profumo would campaigning to make "a little bit on the side" compulsory and Jeremy would be heading the Mandelsonist Party. It was widely held, but never openly proven, that Ted Heath played on his organ.

I think the damage was done by Atlee's lot when they started up the Welfare State and persuaded the more gullible that if they kept the so called Socialist party in power, they would be looked after from the cradle to the grave. From then on it was just a question of who could hoodwink the public by promising more and more jam on the bread, and at the same time retain their place as first in line at trough time. I fail to see how a man can be better off by handing over a big slug of his income to pay for the keeping of more and more politicians and civil servants, rather than spending it wisely himself. However such is the power of spin on man's gullible greed that the politicians have got themselves securely cemented in place, and the only thing that will shift them is another Oliver Cromwell pantomime.

The profligate use of debt to fund aims and desires is another thing that has gone hand in hand with this moral degeneration. Both in government and in the public.

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He has a total lack of understanding.

He was told by his personal special advisor to distance himself from current events. So the clown goes rushing off to the other side of the world.

Perhaps he will pick up some useful tips on how to control the proletariat.

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Brown goes for Chineses take-away

Riveting account in quality newpaper

"I can see thousands of British jobs, perhaps tens of thousands of British jobs, over a period of time developing from this new relationship."

He is living in cloud cuckoo land. Already tens of thousands of British jobs have been exported to China and India. Who the hell does he think he's kidding? The man is a lunatic. Does this qualify as a rabid rant???? :lol:

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Still not a lot of support for El Gordo though.

I prefer calling him Mr Bean :lol:

He is living in cloud cuckoo land. Already tens of thousands of British jobs have been exported to China and India. Who the hell does he think he's kidding?

Yes very true.

There's also a lot of jobs being exported to Poland, I should know as I'm losing my job in around 6 weeks time :(

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Still not a lot of support for El Gordo though.

I prefer calling him Mr Bean :lol:

He is living in cloud cuckoo land. Already tens of thousands of British jobs have been exported to China and India. Who the hell does he think he's kidding?

Yes very true.

There's also a lot of jobs being exported to Poland, I should know as I'm losing my job in around 6 weeks time :(

Very sorry to hear that, but are you surprised?

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Very sorry to hear that, but are you surprised?

No not really as when the closure of our factory was announced last March, apart from having to pay lower wages in Poland, business taxes are much less over there and buying raw materials is also cheaper.

As a consequence the UK economy is no longer as competitive as it was due to Labour's policy of tax and spend and our factory is not the only business leaving the UK as it is just one name among many.

The one puzzling thing is that UK unemployment has now fallen: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7191245.stm (if you can believe the 'official' figures)

So I don't know what to believe to be honest :huh:

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That is bad luck Curly, without a doubt.

Unemployment has definitely fallen though.

All the unemployed illegal and legal immigrants are now getting work, mainly due to our "ever improving" GCSE etc, results keeping home grown talent unemployable. But on the positive side the PC equality people are happy because the country's native population are all becoming "equally "unemployed.

Gordons stupid pronouncement today, about his visit to China creating thousand of UK jobs, just shown how good the situation is.....if you can survive on a handful of rice and a boiled table leg for a week.

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